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[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

Gley the pond with pig or cow manure, it will be watertight. At Pine Ridge, 
the rancher there puts salt licks in his dams and the cows stay there and 
poop. It takes a couple of years, but it's watertight.  You can do it in a 
couple of days with a bobcat.


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 From: John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] drainage
 
Not that simple Neil. That is how we ended up with a root cellar. We dug a 
little pond for our geese and in a dry period it dried out. So we dug it out 
a bit deeper and it again dried out. We kept on digging and eventually it 
got wet again and it filled up 5 meters deep with water. Geese and ducks 
liked it and their droppings in the water made it more or less water tight. 
Then we thought we needed a dry cellar more than a very deep pond. We put in 
a drain pipe and put a concrete roof over it. It now grows goose berries on 
top.
Most ponds here need plastic pond liner to keep water.
John in Ireland


> just a thought...too much water could be a solution if you decide to use
> that area for pond and aquaculture systems rather than land farming???>
> other options...address the drainage up hill of the situation through
> storages, diversions, etc.
>
> cheers
> neil


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I'm an advocate for patience as a main input in many Permaculture systems.
 Often the most beneficial aspects of design take some time (years,
decades?) to emerge.

I'm only making suggestions for options that might be considered as part of
a drainage situation and trying to turn a problem into a solution.

best of luck with your efforts.
neil

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Gley the pond with pig or cow manure, it will be watertight. At Pine
> Ridge, the rancher there puts salt licks in his dams and the cows stay
> there and poop. It takes a couple of years, but it's watertight.  You can
> do it in a couple of days with a bobcat.
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] drainage
>
> Not that simple Neil. That is how we ended up with a root cellar. We dug a
> little pond for our geese and in a dry period it dried out. So we dug it
> out
> a bit deeper and it again dried out. We kept on digging and eventually it
> got wet again and it filled up 5 meters deep with water. Geese and ducks
> liked it and their droppings in the water made it more or less water tight.
> Then we thought we needed a dry cellar more than a very deep pond. We put
> in
> a drain pipe and put a concrete roof over it. It now grows goose berries on
> top.
> Most ponds here need plastic pond liner to keep water.
> John in Ireland
>
>
> > just a thought...too much water could be a solution if you decide to use
> > that area for pond and aquaculture systems rather than land farming???>
> > other options...address the drainage up hill of the situation through
> > storages, diversions, etc.
> >
> > cheers
> > neil
>
>
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