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  • From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] How many PDC grads?
  • Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:10:02 -0700

Here is a podcast where I interview maddy harland or permaculture
magazine shortly after she spent some time in portugal seeing Sepp
Holzer's hugelkultur.

http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/166-podcast-016-maddy-harland-of-permaculture-magazine/

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Great Strategy Paul,
>
> I'll start implementing that as well.  We have a local Makerspace that
> started last summer, where I'd like to integrate some of these ideas to
> promote Permaculture locally.
>
> i.e. host workshops, notice other projects I'm interested in and say "Oh,
> your doing Permaculture too..."
>
> try to turn some ears and network with people with more diverse skill sets
> and visions.
>
> cheers,
> Neil
>
> ps. Paul you mentioned hugelkultur at some sites in Spain with very low
> rainfall (3" per year range).  Can you send me some info on this or a
> weblink, etc?
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com> wrote:
>
>> (Neil, it was awesome to meet you at the convergence a few weeks back.
>>  Hope to see you at more stuff)
>>
>> My strategy is to show something cool and then say "permaculture".
>> And then make hundreds of cool things like that:
>>
>> rocket mass heater -> permaculture
>> hugelkultur -> permaculture
>> cob building -> permaculture
>> cheaper lawn care -> permaculture
>> cast iron skillets -> permaculture
>> solar food dryer -> permaculture
>> nettles -> permaculture
>>
>> And then the person says "hey, you know what I want to learn more
>> about?  permaculture"
>>
>> By the end of this year I think I will have uttered "permaculture" in
>> the ear of ten million people.
>>
>> I am constantly coming up with strategies to find groups of people
>> that have never heard of permaculture before and to ....  plant the
>> permaculture seed in their head.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Neil Bertrando
>> <neilbertrando@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > So, are there some preferred or suggested strategies for scaling this up
>> > and fast tracking PDC access...I'd also like to learn more about post-PDC
>> > education and apprentice-mentor programs to further develop and hone a
>> > Permaculture design skill-set.
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:49 AM, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> My guess would be that there are about 75,000.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Toby Hemenway <
>> toby@patternliteracy.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > (from a conversation on another list; might be of general interest)
>> >> >
>> >> > A while back I saw a permie website that said there were a million PDC
>> >> grads, and that struck me as insanely high. So I did a little
>> arithmetic,
>> >> and to get a million, given that the average PDC might have 25 students
>> (I
>> >> think it is probably less), you'd need 40,000 PDCs, or 2000 PDCs per
>> year
>> >> for the last 20 years. I can't conceive that there's been anything like
>> >> that number.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a pretty standard way that mathematicians get ballpark
>> numbers.
>> >> So: you work upwards, and figure that in the 1980s there may have been,
>> >> what, 20 PDCs per year (I think that's generous, over the whole
>> decade), in
>> >> the 90s maybe 100 or 200 PDCs per year, and in the last decade, perhaps
>> 400
>> >> per year (again, I think these are generous numbers),
>> >> >
>> >> > That yields a total of about 6000 PDCs, times 25 students, and that
>> >> gives you 150,000 PDC grads. I would consider that a maximum.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is why when people talk about the importance of intimate, small
>> >> courses, I get fidgety.That's terrible for 30 years. How about  PDCs in
>> 100
>> >> universities with 500 students in each, like a Biology 101 survey class.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anyone have a better handle on the numbers?
>> >> >
>> >> > Toby
>> >> > http://patternliteracy.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
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