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[Thomas Paul Jahn <thomaspauljahn@gmail.com>]

I work in mycoremediation as inspired by the work of Paul Stamets at fungi
perfecti. We etstablish oysters mushroom mycelium in polluted areas.
Oysters brake down a broad sprectrum of organic pollutants. Basicaly
everything derived from the oil industry.
Our philiosophy is a combination of no till and permanent soil which allows
the running of fungal mycelium. And of course we grow mixed cultures. There
are scietific papers about the direct benefit of cocultering heavy metals
accumulator plant with crop plants in the same pot showing that the
accumulator "protects" the "crop" by taking care of the major part of the
heavy metals. So you got to know the plants and to know what you can savely
eat. Dandilion for example accumulates many heavy metals. So I wouldn't
pick it from the rail roads.

My take on this issue is the following. When you practice permaculture in
the best form: no digging, mostly perennial crops, using surface composting
(chop and drop), and having a highly divers vegetation, then the pollution
by heavy metals will be taken care of. Ecosystems compartmentalize toxins
and contaminations. For an extreme example: look at actual pics from
Tchernobyl. Nature is florishing.

We have just started here in Copenhagen a concept for urban gardening and
we are in the process of cleaning parts in Christiania, (a free state and
former military area in Denmark) from TNT and other pollutants. We will
build serious raised beds in the style of Sepp Holzer with tree trunks and
we will include oyster mushroom mycelium into the raised beds to establish
them. And then we top the beds with compost that has been supplemented with
biochar. All these measures are taken to minimize the uptake of toxins into
the plants.

Generally officials analyse the soil for the content of pollutants. But
this is not really relevant. The soil structure and the organisms are far
more important. It would make much more sense to measure on the edible part
of plants, their leaves fruits and roots.to make a proper statement about
the quality of food produced on the land. Of course, if you practice
conventional farming on a polluted ground, you maybe be interested in an
elemental profile of your soil, because in conventional farming the soil is
not much more than a substrate. Here, plants are more likely to take up
toxins. Instead, when you do permaculture this is a completely different
issue. I lost most of my corncerns about pollutionsjust by being aware of
the way I practice gardening. But lateron we will do some sampling and
analysis test our hypothesis.

cheers
Thomas

2011/11/2 Katy Fox <littlestoryteller@yahoo.com>

> Dear all,
>
>
> I hope you are well. I am writing because I have a recurrent question at
> this moment, kind of related to some of the permaculture designs I've been
> doing. We've been looking at community garden sites, and there are some
> industrial wastelands that are kind of on offer. So I wondered whether you
> have any experience with working with these kinds of polluted lands and how
> you'd go about dealing with them. Can you depollute them if they have heavy
> metals? are there any people dealing with that specifically that you know?
> (I know some people from Findhorn who are working to clean waters through
> biomimicry processes - Biomatrix - but none who work with soil regeneration
> in heavily polluted sites). where do you recommend I start my research in
> this area?
> Metta
> katy
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> From: "wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk" <wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [permaculture] More on Kickstarter
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> I was not initially going to subject list members to any shameless self
> promotion on our first small Kickstarter project, as it is only slightly
> Permaculture related, but it seems that the staff have taken a liking to
> the idea, so I wanted to share with you here.
>
> Yesterday we were featured on top of the KS blog page.
> ?
> http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/new-projects-are-living-forever
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> Even better news. The top item on the KS Facebook page is a link to the
> blog and the image they are using is the Mayan patch.
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> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/800173688/2012-mayan-calendar-on-a-state-of-the-art-patch?ref=video
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> It just goes to show that if you have a project (however whacky it seems),
> KS is a great venue for getting things started.
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> Chris
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> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:19:46 -0400
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] This illustrates aspects of the current trend
>     in massive corporate investment in agricultural enterprises on foreign
>     soil affecting indigenous inhabitants of that land (Indonesia, Africa,
>     Central & South America, elsewhere).
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> Worst Food Additive Ever? It's in Half of All Foods We Eat and Its
> Production Destroys Rainforests and Enslaves Children | | AlterNet
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> http://www.alternet.org/story/152848/worst_food_additive_ever_it%27s_in_half_of_all_foods_we_eat_and_its_production_destroys_rainforests_and_enslaves_children/?page=entire
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> Worst Food Additive Ever? It's in Half of All Foods We Eat and Its
> Production Destroys Rainforests and Enslaves Children
> The production of this ingredient causes jaw-dropping amounts of
> deforestation (and with it, carbon emissions) and human rights abuses.
> October 24, 2011  |
>
> "On August 10, police and security for the massive palm oil
> corporation Wilmar International (of which Archer Daniels Midland is
> the second largest shareholder) stormed a small, indigenous village on
> the Indonesian island of Sumatra. They came with bulldozers and guns,
> destroying up to 70 homes, evicting 82 families, and arresting 18
> people. Then they blockaded the village, keeping the villagers in --
> and journalists out. (Wilmar claims it has done no wrong.)
>
> The village, Suku Anak Dalam, was home to an indigenous group that
> observes their own traditional system of land rights on their
> ancestral land and, thus, lacks official legal titles to the land.
> This is common among indigenous peoples around the world -- so common,
> in fact, that it is protected by the United Nations Declaration on the
> Rights of Indigenous Peoples"
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> <...>
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> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:37:45 -0400
> From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for
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> Lawrence, what do you think would cause freezer burn from dry ice?
>
> >From my reading the cause of freezer burn is primarily dehydration and
> secondarily oxidation, along with storage at temperatures above 0
> degrees F. Very cold local temperatures don't seem to have much if
> anything to do with it. A large part of the cure for meat is apparently
> wrapping to prevent dehydration. With grain I doubt there would be much
> of a problem with dry ice. I would expect exclusion of oxygen to be
> helpful.
>
> If the Mormons recommend dry ice as Bob Waldrop says, their
> recommendation is probably based on a lot of practical experience. I
> would be inclined to take their word for it.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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>
> On 10/31/2011 4:55 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
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> [snip]
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> > This sounds like the best way but unless some food-grade
> > insulating barrier were put on top of the dry ice then beans or grain in
> > direct contact with it might get "freezer burn" causing rot and eventual
> > contamination of the whole container of dried food. Could this happen?
>
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> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:33:37 +1000
> From: david mattinson <notwithoutmylama@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Salatian idea for edible college campuses
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> G'day,I have been listening to a talk by David W. Orr that he did at
> Shumacher College this year. He works at the Oberlin College and was
> talking about food tat had been grown on campus in vege gardens and food
> trees, that were available to teachers and students. He is working on the
> Oberlin Project that he calls full spectrum sustainability, and works much
> like the transition town concept. He is an excellent communicatoron
> biological design, green buildings and environmental politics, worth
> looking into. David Mattinson
>
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> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:07:28 +0100
> From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying,    "Prepare for
>     Disaster" and the mo...
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> > If the Mormons recommend dry ice as Bob Waldrop says, their
> > recommendation is probably based on a lot of practical experience. I
> > would be inclined to take their word for it.
>
> Thanks for the input, folks. Thanks Doug - I second that. That settles
> it for me :-)
> Georg
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