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  • From: kirstie stramler <spiggygogo@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [permaculture] references for bertrando & the forest service
  • Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:35:20 -0800

hi neil & everybody

elaine ingham's work has become the mainstream science, it's just not yet
being applied as broadly as it could/should be
http://soils.usda.gov/sqi/concepts/soil_biology/biology.html

some great stuff here
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=soil+food+web&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1,5&as_sdtp=on

not much here, as darren pointed out
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=keyline&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0,5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

while you're at it, why not draw up some guidelines for the forest service
to use elsewhere?
i have yet to see a forest service job that doesn't involve pesticide &/or
herbicide
& i have yet to see a forest service building that uses greywater

best to you & your lady
kirstie




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> 3. Robert Hart's Forest Garden - a set on Flickr
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> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:38:38 -0800
> From: Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [permaculture] Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted
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> Hi all,
>
> I have a request for information, network connections, suggestions, and
> reflections.
>
> I'm based in Reno, Nevada, on the East slope of the Sierra Nevada mtns,
> elevation ~4500 ft. lat. 39 degrees N. Winter Wet (Nov-May) precip ~5-10
> inches/year, min temps ~ -10 F, max temps ~110 F.
> I work with a environmental education, service, outreach, and education
> non-profit organization, and we have recently started using a yeomans plow
> and aerobic compost tea brewer as part of our tool kit for ecological
> restoration projects.
>
> Currently, we're working on designing a 'restoration' and invasive weed
> management project with the Forest Service, and we are planning on starting
> with soil renovation and improving hydrologic function as the foundation of
> our design implementation. To do this, we are combining a few tool sets
> and
> strategies including Permaculture, Keyline Design, and Soil Food Web. The
> Forest Service has asked us for literature references specific to our
> approaches. We have some but they are not comprehensive, and we are
> looking
> in particular for any references that examine broad acre landscape
> treatment, restoration to native grasslands or grass-shrub mosaic
> communities, cold arid/brittle environments, and invasive weed management.
> Also, anything specific to the short and long term results of Keyline
> pattern cultivation treatments with a yeomans plow would be exceptional.
>
> We're providing them with references to the PA Yeomans books, and the
> Geographic Basis of Keyline. Anything beyond that is much appreciated.
> This can include contact info for people with similar projects in process.
>
> Thank you so much,
> Towards an ecological society,
> Neil
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:28:17 +1100
> From: Darren Doherty <darren@permaculture.biz>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted
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> G'day,
>
> Keyline as a *system* has been remarkably under-researched, though more
> importantly primary producers appreciate its benefits as more often than
> not
> they will listen to another producer than an extensionalist, though of
> course I am generalising.
>
> Best advice I can give you is to look at the following sites:
>
> http://www.marincarbonproject.org/
> http://soilcarboncoalition.org/
> http://managingwholes.com/
> http://www.keylinevermont.com/Welcome.html
>
> Have fun.
>
> All the best,
>
> Darren
>
>
> On 15 January 2011 07:38, Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a request for information, network connections, suggestions, and
> > reflections.
> >
> > I'm based in Reno, Nevada, on the East slope of the Sierra Nevada mtns,
> > elevation ~4500 ft. lat. 39 degrees N. Winter Wet (Nov-May) precip ~5-10
> > inches/year, min temps ~ -10 F, max temps ~110 F.
> > I work with a environmental education, service, outreach, and education
> > non-profit organization, and we have recently started using a yeomans
> plow
> > and aerobic compost tea brewer as part of our tool kit for ecological
> > restoration projects.
> >
> > Currently, we're working on designing a 'restoration' and invasive weed
> > management project with the Forest Service, and we are planning on
> starting
> > with soil renovation and improving hydrologic function as the foundation
> of
> > our design implementation. To do this, we are combining a few tool sets
> > and
> > strategies including Permaculture, Keyline Design, and Soil Food Web.
> The
> > Forest Service has asked us for literature references specific to our
> > approaches. We have some but they are not comprehensive, and we are
> > looking
> > in particular for any references that examine broad acre landscape
> > treatment, restoration to native grasslands or grass-shrub mosaic
> > communities, cold arid/brittle environments, and invasive weed
> management.
> > Also, anything specific to the short and long term results of Keyline
> > pattern cultivation treatments with a yeomans plow would be exceptional.
> >
> > We're providing them with references to the PA Yeomans books, and the
> > Geographic Basis of Keyline. Anything beyond that is much appreciated.
> > This can include contact info for people with similar projects in
> process.
> >
> > Thank you so much,
> > Towards an ecological society,
> > Neil
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> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:56:52 -0500
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
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> Subject: [permaculture] Robert Hart's Forest Garden - a set on Flickr
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> Robert Hart's Forest Garden - a set on Flickr
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/naturewise/sets/72157618526642486/with/3553933296/
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> Robert Hart's Forest Garden
>
> Robert Hart?s original forest garden in Shropshire continues to hold a
> fascination for a wide number of people. Hart?s description of the
> garden in his books and confusion over what happened to the garden
> following his death in March 2000 have both created an aura of mystery
> which haunts references to the place.
>
> Highwood Hill is currently a private residence with no public access to
> the site. The forest garden which Hart created appears to have been
> partly cleared. The remaining elements have been untended and without
> human intervention have proceeded on a path of natural succession. The
> shade of the tree cover has led to a diminution in the under storey,
> although a few fruit bushes are still visible.
>
> Robert Hart's garden survives in his books and in the gardens that
> others have started around the world under his inspiration - it is not
> here.
>
> *************************************** ******
>
> You can read more about the garden's past in these accounts:
>
> An account of a visit by a group of people from Plants For A Future in
> the Summer of 1996 (comments underneath the original account, give some
> information about subsequent developments).
>
> An account by Graham Burnett of a visit by Naturewise to the site in
> July 1997 (with photos).
>
> In September 1997 David Jacke and Eric Toensmeir visited the garden,
> took photographs and made up to date plans. These, and an account of
> their visit can be found in their book Edible Forest Gardens; Volume
> One: Visions & Theory (Chelsea Green: White River Junction, 2005). The
> visit is also referred to briefly in this 2005 interview with David
> Jacke, from Talking Leaves magazine.
>
> In July 1998 some graduates of a permaculture design course run by
> Naturewise visited Robert Hart, a short account by Jascha Rohr is
> available here . This also appears to be when the Iota Pictures video
> Forest Gardening with Robert Hart was shot.
>
> An account of a visit by permaculture teacher Aranya to Robert Hart in
> 1999 and some of the events subsequent to Hart?s death.
>
> Paul Evans visited the garden shortly after Hart?s death in March 2000,
> a short account of which was published in The Guardian.
>
> Allan Shepherd wrote Hart?s Guardian obituary , including brief mention
> of a visit to the Garden before Hart?s death.
>
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