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["Bryce Ruddock" <bruddockjr@wi.rr.com>]

   About a hundred years ago pheasants were brought to the US from China for 
use as a game bird. The type brought in were referred to as Manchurian 
pheasants.
  My grandfather and my dad used to hunt them in Michigan back 70 years ago. 
Here in Wisconsin there is a DNR game farm near Poynette where pheasants are 
raised for release into the wild. They seem to be very susceptible to 
diseases and also have a high mortatlity in cold winters. While they are 
still raised and released here I have not seen many lately. Perhaps that is 
due to increased suburbanization but I doubt it since we live on the edges of 
the metro area and everyday I pass through ideal habitat for pheasants. Nice 
video by the way and thank you for sharing.
     Bryce Ruddock, South Milwaukeee, Wisconsin
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Permaculture is slowly getting into school grant programs and will be there
someday. The old school ways are not sustainable as many programs are being 
lost
to high tech. I taught at the largest high school in the states and most
everyone felt the need for it, especially the students. The hard part is 
getting
it in these green programs. I was able to teach there, because they didn't 
have
anyone that knew green or permaculture, so they picked me. We need more 
teachers
to make it relevant. Why aren't there more teachers? Because there aren't 
enough
jobs. It's about breaking through the hard pan and loosing the soil so it may
grow.
Ray
 The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the very opportunities
that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and Spiritual
Sustainability.




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An interesting idea, but I wonder if they'd sponsor the 13 days of a 14-day
course that aren't about earthworks. I would expect that if industry began
sponsoring PDCs, their cost would go up to what most industry-sponsored 
courses
are, about $200-500 USD per day. PDCs are actually some of the least expensive
forms of education around. Check prices of any other residential course in any
field.


The only industry-sponsored courses I've seen that are inexpensive are those 
for
people who have purchased a large piece of equipment or service from that
industry, like an excavator, or a jet. I got trained on fermentation equipment
after my former employer bought $80,000 worth of it. But we got the 
mini-course,
cuz that was a small sale. When we had to hire a two-person training team, it
cost $6,000 per day. (hey, I'm in the wrong field!)

The cheapest course I've seen was sponsored by the city of Eugene, Oregon, 
cost
$40 (non-residential) and had the classroom donated. Local gov't is probably a
good tack to try, although they don't have the budgets they used to. No one
does. Except--hmm. Would Wall Street sponsor PDCs?.

Most PDCs offer work-trades for low-income people. It just costs a lot to run 
a
course. (check the archives for details; we've had this conversation often).


Predictably,

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com



On Jan 2, 2011, at 2:22 AM, wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> In order to bring down the cost of PDC courses to more affordable levels, 
> has
>anybody tried involving permaculture related industry representatives as
>sponsors?
>
> I was thinking about having reps of the large excavator companies to 
> introduce
>all the various kinds of earthworks equipment, in the same way that Bill
>Mollison does in the PDC manual.   Or perhaps a rep from one of the big
>geospatial companies to do a session on dumpies, laser levels and surveying
>tools.
>
> Are there any other big industries out there that might want to promote 
> their
>equipment or products to permaculture designers?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12093906
January 2011 Last updated at 03:07 ET
Simple rubber device mimics complex bird-song
The project's "holy grail" was replicating the complex song of the zebra finch
A simple rubber device that replicates complex bird songs has been
developed by a team of US researchers.
The song is produced by blowing air through the device, which mimics a
bird's vocal tract, the team explained.
The findings appear to challenge the idea that birds had to learn
complicated neurological controls in order to produce distinctive
calls.
The team plans to share its data with biologists to see if it sheds
new light on how birds produce complex songs.