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Lawrence,
I don't think it's fair to compare a Monsanto representative to Stalin or 
Hitler.... Monsanto is much worse.


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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
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On 12/17/2010 6:48 PM, Kelly Simmons wrote:

> preventing other points of view from being expressed isn't usually
> considered moderating by most people. Some might call it the bully pulpit.

Read what I said above. Would you allow Joe Stalin or Adolph Hitler into a 
forum 
you own and allow them to freely express their point of view, or 
representatives 
of monsanto....
Keeping that sort of thing out of an emerging, developing community is a 
matter 
of practicality, protecting your own, preserving your ability to survive, all 
worth the effort.



      
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I'm reposting the following sentence in the hopes that I might 
actually get a response from the list this time.

    *In regard to removing people from the list, please add my vote
    for a warning first.**...on list...in front of peers...with a
    clear statement of the rule violated.*

Is this too much to ask? Is it difficult to do? Would it be too 
embarrassing? What are the problems involved?

The Amish practice "shunning" to express their disapproval of an 
other's behavior. Perhaps we can declare publicly that we are 
selectively shunning a person who repeatedly violates agreed trusts 
(rules).

    *From Wikipedia: Shunning* is the act of deliberately avoiding
    association with, and habitually keeping away from, an individual
    or group. It is a sanction against association, often associated
    with religious <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious> groups and
    other tightly knit organizations and communities. Targets of
    shunning can include, but are not limited to, apostates
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostates>, whistleblowers
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblowers>, dissidents
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissidents>, people classified as
    "sinners" or "traitors" and other people who defy or who fail to
    comply with the standards established by the shunning group(s) [or
    moderators].

Of course for this to be effective the "violator" would have to feel 
some degree of shame, especially in the eyes of their peers whose 
opinion they, presumably, value. One could hope they would be moved 
toward contrition and apology for dramatizing reactivity, which would 
be mature and grownup. The reactive (adolescent? pre-adolescent?) 
personality would merely RE-dramatize / "act out" their reaction and 
would be clearly identifiable and thus, justifiably, removed from the 
list.

On 12/15/2010 5:09 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> I sent a suggestion for rules a while back which included warnings before 
> being permanently removed, which I believe you said you liked Lawrence.  
> Based on common moderator rules, it seemed fair to me, because it allows a 
> person to change their behavior if they are inadvertently doing something 
> to violate the rules. I don't recall exactly but I believe the rules for 
> expulsion (after warning) were limited to*personal attacks on other 
> members, and spamming*? 
> Cory
>> I hope my two cents is helpful. I would like to see a sensibly moderated
>> commons.
> What do you propose, Jim? What changes would you like to see.
>
> LL

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