permaculture

[Patrick <forgeadams@yahoo.com>]

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/08/resilient-community-forget-afghanistan-these-are-needed-in-detroit-etc.html
RESILIENT COMMUNITY:  Forget Afghanistan, These are Needed in Detroit etc.
        
        
                
                        
The
 US Military Special Operations Command is building eight "mobile 
factories" that fit into standard shipping containers.  These factories 
are based on the successful experience the US Army has had with 
something similar called the MPH.   From Strategypage:The
 MPH was developed when the army realized that the easiest way to get 
the many rarely requested, but vital, replacement parts to the troops, 
was to manufacture the parts in the combat zone. In short order, this
 led to the construction of a portable parts fabrication system, called 
MPH, that fit into a standard 8x8x20 foot shipping container.
 The original version used two containers, but smaller equipment and 
more powerful computers eventually made it possible to use one 
container.



        The key to making this work was the availability of computer 
controlled
 machine tools, which can take a block of the proper metal, and machine 
it into the desired part. The computer controlled machine tools have 
been around for decades, but the big breakthrough was the development of
 CAD (Computer Assisted Design) software for PCs in the 1980s, which 
made the process of designing, and then fabricating, a part much faster.
 The MPH has a high speed satellite data link, which enables it to 
obtain the CAD file for a part. Many CAD files are already stored in the
 MPH. Often, the MPH staff figure out a way to improve a part, based on 
the broken parts they see, and what the troops tell them.



        In the last six years, MPHs have manufactured over 100,000 parts, on 
the spot.
 This saves days, or weeks, that it would take to order the part from 
the manufacturer, and the MPH part is usually a lot cheaper (because the
 air freight and manufacturer mark ups to pay for maintaining the part 
in inventory). The next version of the MPH has a 3-D part builder, which uses 
metal dust and a laser to build a part.
Hyperlocal manufacturing is real.  Think of 
it as one of the economic hearts of a thriving resilient community. 
 It's a revolution already in motion, as you can see in the rapid spread
 of hackerspaces.  Connect these hackerspaces, and the communities they 
serve, with networks that allow people to share, buy/sell, modify, customize, 
etc. designs for products/parts, and we are on our a way to a resilient 
decentralized economy that can survive the economic dislocation to come.
                




>From wheaton.p@gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 10:11:49 2010
Return-Path: <wheaton.p@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 3002)
        id 4F21B4C121; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:11:49 -0400 (EDT)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on malecky
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,
        RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, REMOVE_BEFORE_LINK autolearn=disabled 
version=3.3.1
Received: from mail-qw0-f49.google.com (mail-qw0-f49.google.com
        [209.85.216.49])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5A04C0E9
        for <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>;
        Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
Received: by qwe4 with SMTP id 4so1921339qwe.36
        for <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>;
        Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received
        :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject
        :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=QSsUFsjeB+orjimzmGdpc7cmnn1W1/GkUOcXXWoaOSg=;
        b=gu7NVRQRXGA5qMw0N7iNAdqWJhXpDhETxXCKJeXnz1TQLZ5uyEdVjiqhSQWOyGyLOb
        ozF/hU94ZKJGCvd55hU9We6p5oR3JkExWagC3vePMIYIQ2YYlJi4uRisIv5UE1mbC1BK
        0jr552O6bggIf4DadJPh+BN9LcsSswWTZcEJUDomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 
c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date
        :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type
        :content-transfer-encoding;
        b=fiDQIBoJ8z11QXSualFIfo0xc1y/rOS45H3yAPlJrdWAVNg7o+ovMFsyGsPjBPwDMR
        2RP695/CKykEaVO+a+fXejn3SxUouqFBnXUjCcfJN260IFS6htQR+H/cSVcz4JhuSIfd
        VZzeur8F/kpSrWR+uhgDaGectd7xPtdF29ZfYMIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.224.28.129 with SMTP id m1mr6541230qac.353.1282227104863; Thu,
        19 Aug 2010 07:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: wheaton.p@gmail.com
Received: by 10.229.182.195 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <E1OlnoA-0003th-Mv@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <AANLkTim_+SnYswe4_HJnfeZaF247eYKhy3gyai8b=Sap@mail.gmail.com>
        <E1OlnoA-0003th-Mv@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:11:44 -0600
X-Google-Sender-Auth: xii_dVK6Ex1OAE6awygomOnl-pY
Message-ID: <AANLkTigorJch_bbwTTQXJ_KeSrQnt=+KnsHL96njS@mail.gmail.com>
From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Subject: Re: [permaculture] commercial compost and persistent herbicides
X-BeenThere: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13
Precedence: list
Reply-To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Id: permaculture <permaculture.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/permaculture>,
        <mailto:permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/permaculture>
List-Post: <mailto:permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture>,
        <mailto:permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:11:49 -0000

In the video, check out the raspberries.

When you do a bioassay, you can get 100% germination in a soil that is
tainted with persistent herbicides.  There is just enough herbicides
to not kill, but to stunt the growth of your broadleaf plants.  So
your plants still take up the herbicide - they just don't die.  Your
food then contains herbicides.

These types of herbicides generally have zero impact on germination.
Their mission is to weaken the plant - usually by emulating the plant
growth hormone auxin.

Here is the blurb from the sales page for aminopyralid:  "translocates
throughout the entire plant and accumulating in meristematic tissues,
including the roots. It disrupts plant growth metabolic pathways
affecting the growth process of the plant."


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer
<eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hello,
> My understanding is that a sprout test will indicate if a medium is good,
> bad or ugly. Herbicide residues will be indicated by fewer seeds sprouting
> in the medium.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of paul wheaton
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:56 AM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] commercial compost and persistent herbicides
>
> This is an excellent test to see if the level of persistent herbicides
> is high enough to kill your plants.
>
> This test does very little to tell you if there is a level of
> persistent herbicides to stunt the growth of your plants or make them
> more susceptible to getting sick.
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer
> <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have learned from various sources that one needs to look at every
>> amendment with caution.  To evaluate whether compost is healthy or bears
>> toxic residues one needs to do a sprout test.  Place seeds in between wet
>> cloth or paper towel-unbleached and wetted with non chlorinated water as
>> your control and then plant the same type and number of seeds in the
> compost
>> in a flat and keep moist. Just compare your sprouting percentage in the
>> compost with the control and you will know whether the compost is clean or
>> toxic.  The beauty of this test is that it only takes 3 - 5 days to
>> complete.
>>
>> Steven Eisenhauer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of paul wheaton
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:06 AM
>> To: permaculture
>> Subject: [permaculture] commercial compost and persistent herbicides
>>
>> Many people think their commercial compost is great because stuff is
>> doing better with it than their stuff did with cement-like dirt.  That
>> compost probably has persistent herbicides in it that is stunting
>> plant growth. But the only way to know for sure is to grow a bunch of
>> plants next to same species/variety plants that are grown in compost
>> that definitely doesn't have it.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GunQ9mB0ywU
>> _______________________________________________
>> permaculture mailing list
>> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subscribe or unsubscribe here:
>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
>> Google command to search archives:
>> site:https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/permaculture searchstring
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> permaculture mailing list
>> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subscribe or unsubscribe here:
>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
>> Google command to search archives:
>> site:https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/permaculture searchstring
>>
> _______________________________________________
> permaculture mailing list
> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subscribe or unsubscribe here:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> Google command to search archives:
> site:https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/permaculture searchstring
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> permaculture mailing list
> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subscribe or unsubscribe here:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> Google command to search archives:
> site:https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/permaculture searchstring
>