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[negiliblek <negiliblek@yahoo.com>]

First, I'd like to thank Scott P. and Geoff Lawton for their life's work. 

I use Lawton's work to dispel ignorance and easily convince those who are on 
the edge of indecision as to which philosophy to employ(greed or 
sustainability). Videos of Lawton's work is just that powerful; Pine Ridge 
reservation and other reservations can no longer languish because "we were 
put on the worst land". One viewing of "Greening the Desert" starts a dawning 
no argument can.

Second, my concern isn't whether or not working with the devil is good or 
bad, because I really don't know. I can no longer pretend I know the long 
term results of actions taken in the war we are in (our fight for a way to 
live free of the poisons of air, water, food, and culture of large 
corporations and, by extension, a military known to be used by these same 
corporations).

Third, my concern is "co option". The US military is also starting to promote 
themselves as the cool place to do hacking in both the Open Source world and 
the proprietary world.  Large corporations and their extension, the US 
miltary, know they cannot beat Open Source and Permaculture head to head. So 
they are joining it. By joining, they intend to infiltrate, water down the 
information, cause internal fights amongst solid members, and disseminate 
dis-information which will poison methods and limit the effectiveness of 
those methods. 

How do you think Seed Savers was taken over by Amy G/Monsanto? Do you really 
think she came in saying she intended to do the things she did?  No, she said 
things all of us like to hear with a few modifications.

So, what am I saying? If you can do work that is stunning like "Greening the 
Desert", perhaps it's okay do it at any cost. The payback for the whole world 
to see is priceless.

But, Scott, if you can't stand up in front of the US Miltary troops and 
co-opt them, or you are given limitations on your work such that if fails/is 
less effective, or your work cannot be so powerful it silences ignorance 
AROUND THE WORLD, I'm not so sure I'd do it if I had your skill and 
knowledge. But that's just me.

We need to recognize co-option when we see it, go ahead and do such good work 
that the co-opters are co-opted, but protect your projects from planned 
failure. Use methods that can easily be changed to adopt to deliberate 
adverse human interference (this will take more careful wise thought than a 
usual/normal PD).

PS yes LL I still owe you.



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On 8/11/2010 10:58 AM, Soil Doctor wrote:
> Hi Killian
>
> Compost tea that has been brewed from properly created aerobic
> bacterial or fungal dominated compost, fed either bacterial or fungal
> foods at the beginning of the compost tea brew time, and actively
> aerated with oxygen during the entire brew cycle is a collection of
> beneficial aerobic Bacteria, Fungi, Flagellates, Amoebae and
> Nematodes.  You may have a small # of facultative anaerobic microbes
> like Archaea and some Bacteria, and maybe very very few Cilliates.
> But the #s dominance of aerobes is absolutely key for a beneficial
> compost tea.  Actively aerated compost tea isn't a fertilizer (well a
> tiny tiny portion is plant soluble fertilizer at any given moment but
> I'll get to that below). It's an innoculum of beneficial
> micro-organisms designed to reproduce more in your soils, adjusting
> the bacterial:fungi ratio of your soils to meet your plant needs
> (different plant groups require different bacteria:fungi biomass
> ratios for optimal growth and health - check out a comment I mad e on
> this here -
> http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/08/soil-food-web-course-with-dr-elaine-ingham/

A wonderful piece of information.
How can one get started making aerated compost tea (bacterial and
fungal)? How can you make your own equipment to do this without
great expense?

LL