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[Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>]

Isabel,
I know of a an older, MUCH older, earth housing example in Macon, GA.  Have 
you visited the Ocmulgee native monument?  Obviously I can't speak for the 
actual living conditions in such a "house", but that area is ecotone central 
- rivers, uplands, piedmont, coastal plain - and drew lots of interest from 
Amerinds, way before dehumidifying HVAC systems (and books, shoes, and rugs).
 
Couple this with Paul's recent exposure of Mike Oehler's WOFATI techniques, 
the old native hogans, and we MIGHT be onto something.  I'm considering an 
addition to our little crackerbox down the road along these lines.  Anyone 
with information about the lack of viability of such things should please 
talk me out of this if it is a known disaster!

Good discussion, thanks!
 
Tripp

 

The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Udan Farm <udanfarm@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Udan Farm <udanfarm@yahoo.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Question about Earth Homes, thermal mass and humidity
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 5:15 PM


HI Folks,
Reading about Quail Springs and their buildings, (I've been there by the way, 
and it's really a great example of permaculture in dry climate) I've been 
wondering if ANYONE knows ANYONE who has previously already BUILT any kind of 
earth homes-cob, in-ground, earthship, cordwood, etc. homes in the 
SOUTH...I'm talking HOT, HUMID, buggy, HUMID southern USA?
I ask because a lot of folks are looking to me and my husband, as 
permaculture teachers, asking questions about building something from earth 
that doesn't cost 200k, and I'm of the mind that those big thermal mass 
things connected to the ground DO NOT work well in the humidity. It gets cold 
and hot here, sometimes with about a 40* range in one day, add the humidity 
and the walls (even on a well insulated stick built house) SWEAT something 
aweful, and books, rugs, fabrics, clothes and shoes go quite moldy.
I'm fond of the Cracker style house-up off the ground, wide porches, lots of 
windows, high ceilings, and a cupola on top that opens.That works for FL and 
central GA but even up into the mountains, the ONE building I know of that's 
about 7 years old-made of cob and sitting on the ground is MOLDY smelling the 
minute you walk in it. And I know everyone knows that the answer is not HVAC 
running 24/7/52...
I would love to hear you thoughts on that subject and if you know anyone with 
an older thermal mass/earth house I could ask these questions of...
Thanks!!Isabel



      
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Subject: [SANET-MG] organic standards for vegan or vegetarian
consumers/farmers?
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:16:49 -1000
From: Hector Valenzuela <hectoruh11@GMAIL.COM>
To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU

Hi all-

Do you have any thoughts, ideas, or experience with organic "standards" for
vegetarian and/or vegan consumers/farmers?

I understand that for them appropriate practices for Organic Farming would
not rely on the use of animal products (manures, nor pesticides containing
animal products).

What nutrient and pest management programs would you use? I can see more
reliance on cover crops, rotations, products such as cotton-meal (non GM)
and alfalfa pellets, and crop residues used as mulch or composted.

Are there any farmers out there that follow these stricter organic
standards?

Thank-you for any feedback or leads,

Hector Valenzuela
Univ. Hawaii at Manoa
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~hector/
http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/organic/

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