permaculture

[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

Well, Toby, I don't have the time to do a literature search to back up my 
claims, but I run into a lot of people like the one Christopher mentioned who 
didn't seem to get an appropriate permaculture education.  As for myself, I 
was deeply influenced by Bill Mollison, and he definitely seems like a 
booster to me.  I remember him saying not to worry too much about soil since 
you can always transform it with organic matter and amendments (which is 
common in Australia given the poor soil).  His Global Gardener videos make it 
all look so easy.  He talks about how cheap earthworks are (not!) and gives 
inflated statistics about how radically you can transform local climate.  For 
results within one person's lifetime, I'm learning to expect much less.
 
If you are only wanting to grow food for a small household (which is probably 
all that is truly sustainable in the long run), it is possible to do 
impressive things in tough circumstances, if you are willing to do all the 
work.  But it takes a long time without unsustainle inputs from outside.  
Agriculture (which is not sustainable, even though included in Mollison's 
books) is not worth considering on most marginal land, in my opinion.
 
Gotta go,
 
Rain
 



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Why are so few people aware of this issue?
Why aren't people gathering around the globe to express their discontent?
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> Hello,
>
> The release and use of transgenic organisms represents an abuse of
> science -
> creating a cesspool of hellishness upon the landscape and breading GMO
> plague fear among all those with functioning brains. Morgellons disease
> must
> be the new low fruit for our evolving medical emergency.
>