permaculture

[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

I grew up with an intense hunger for my own plot of land, and was desperate 
by the time I had the resources to buy some.  I really identify with the lust 
for land of the US "pioneers" and landless peasants.  I feel that 
permaculture, in its current form, does a disservice to those seeking land by 
playing down the difficulties of marginal land.  It is true that a lot of 
land that is currently considered marginal can be coaxed into producing 
yields for satisfying vital needs, but only with more work, money, time, 
energy, and other inputs than prime farming land.
 
On the other hand, it is less likely that permaculturists would create 
dustbowls, because our practices are diametrically opposed to such outcomes.  
We don't like tilling, bare soil, and overirrigation or unsustainable water 
use, and we like mulching, perennials, appropriate earthworks, etc.
 
Rain



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Robyn:

How about when someone is honest to make the caveat - I haven't seen this
but read the reviews - you don't retreat into snarkiness. It's kinda cute in
teenagers, but useless in alleged adults.

The rest of our comments weren't about Farmer John anyway.

<raspberry>

Kathleen