permaculture

[chauncey williams <chaunceyfree@yahoo.com>]

I am looking for a good source of legume seeds and plants that I can 
purchase.  Does anyone know of a good nursery or supplier in the Southern 
California region?  I have been having a tough time tracking down reliable 
leads.  Thanks in advance.
Sean




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Hi Everyone,

I admit, I do not keep up with this list nearly as much as I would like to, 
but I'd like to start a discussion about a trend I see, and perhaps how to 
alter it, or harness it, or ???

I live in a southern state, so we are fairly far behind in Permaculture, as 
in, classes being taught, and interest in general.
I am a new Permaculture teacher, trying to get the word out, and my partner 
and I will be student teaching our first design course this winter.

What I have noticed here in our southern state is a trend of fairly wealthy 
couples, or single middle aged women, who "decide" to start a farm, 
eco-village, or other farm related business, with little prior knowledge. 
They go buy the land with little realization of what to look for, realize 
that it's a lot of work, and then want someone to come "assess" their land. 
Most of them want to host a class (mainly because they are too busy to leave 
the farm) and hope that it will include lots of people planting trees for 
them. In other words, they want someone to come "DO" permaculture to their 
farm, and hope it won't cost much. Generally they also hold down jobs in 
another town or they live part time in another place. They had enough money 
to create the beginning of the dream but no clue how to sustain it or build 
it.

I don't want to come off sounding like a whiner here. But this is happening 
over, and over and over here in my state. You can pretty much map them out, 
about 100 miles apart.
We are feeling very much pulled by every little wind as permaculture 
teachers, so we are having to be very selective about what we do.

What I was wondering-I don't mean to just crab about it- is are any other 
Permaculture Teachers out there experiencing this, and what do you tell 
folks, and how could we get them all together? Mind you it's a 5 hour drive 
from one end of the state to another.

This is really, in my opinion, an indicator of our larger American society in 
general. We have enough money to go off in our little corner and live, and we 
want others to "work for us", as we have come to expect. (I don't think that, 
but I think American society in general-or at least upper and upper-middle 
class society does.)

Granted the tide seems to have turned, and people may be more serious and 
honest about wanting to live simply and sustainably...

but I just wondered what my fellow Perm. folks out there are experiencing, 
and how they are turning THE PROBLEM INTO THE SOLUTION.

Peace,
Isabel