permaculture

["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>]

lbsaltzman@aol.com wrote:
> This thread has the danger of getting off topic but I have to reply to this criticism of Starhawk and the folks who were arrested. 

I didn't criticize the other folks who were arrested. Was SH among them?

> Tonight distiniguished journalist Amy Goodman and her staff were arrested for no valid reason except they were 
journalists covering the demonstrations.  There have been pre-emptive arrests as well which appear to violate the 
Constitution.
> On reading the post of what happened to the the travelling permaculture bus, 
> there is a strong indication that they did nothing more than be in the wrong 
> place at the wrong time, as local police go about shredding the Constitution, 
> and arresting anybody who looks different.  We unfortunately, won't always be 
> able to sit contendedly in idyllic Permaculture sites while the world comes 
> crashing down around us. We will sometimes be dragged into the fray whether 
> we want to or not!

Something to think about.

Here's more from St. Paul:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/01/vo.rnc.protest.pepper.spray.cnn
> Larry Saltzman
>
>
>
> Absolutely. What were they trying to do and where did it go wrong. I read about 
> he peaceful
> emonstrators in Denver who were driven away from their post to a side street 
> here they were cornered, beaten and 
> prayed with pepper; elderly people in their 80's were part of the group. This 
> s unacceptable behavior.
> o. What prompted the police (swat team) to do this?
> aybe it was Starhawk exhortating the masses to rise up against their 
> ppressors.
> eing a self-styled resistance and reform leader is just not her calling.
> She should join this list and learn how to live, sustainably, permaculturally
> nd contribute to that pool of resources
>  we all share.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lflj@intrex.net>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:55 am
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: [starhawk] Permaculture Education Bus Seized 
> by Twin Cities Police at RNC

> bwaldrop@cox.net wrote:
>
> > The message below is being sent out by permaculture activist Starhawk.  
> >
> > > Hey friends, we need your help!  Our Earth Activist Training Sustainable
> >
> > Skills Bus has been seized without cause by the police.  Below is an account
>
> > from the Wilsons, who have been travelling in the bus for the last seven
>
> > months doing trainings in permaculture and sustainability, including ways
> > you can help. 
> > My own accounts from the action can be found on
> > www.starhawk.org and I¹ll be posting daily as long as I can‹or sign on to my
> > own list by emailing starhawk-subscribe@lists.riseup.net.  If you¹re on that
> > list, my own account follows.  
>
> I think she should have stayed at home and worked her garden, like the rest of 
> s do.
> hings might have turned out better if that had happened.
>  > Please support these folks who have been
>
> > > doing such good work for us all.  Thanks!
>
> Absolutely. What were they trying to do and where did it go wrong. I read about 
> he peaceful
> emonstrators in Denver who were driven away from their post to a side street 
> here they were cornered, beaten and 
> prayed with pepper; elderly people in their 80's were part of the group. This 
> s unacceptable behavior.
> o. What prompted=2
> 0the police (swat team) to do this?
> aybe it was Starhawk exhortating the masses to rise up against their 
> ppressors.
> eing a self-styled resistance and reform leader is just not her calling.
> She should join this list and learn how to live, sustainably, permaculturally
> nd contribute to that pool of resources we all share.