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[lbsaltzman@aol.com]

This thread has the danger of getting off topic but I have to reply to this 
criticism of Starhawk and the folks who were arrested.  Tonight 
distiniguished journalist Amy Goodman and her staff were arrested for no 
valid reason except they were journalists covering the demonstrations.  There 
have been pre-emptive arrests as well which appear to violate the 
Constitution. 

On reading the post of what happened to the the travelling permaculture bus, 
there is a strong indication that they did nothing more than be in the wrong 
place at the wrong time, as local police go about shredding the Constitution, 
and arresting anybody who looks different.  We unfortunately, won't always be 
able to sit contendedly in idyllic Permaculture sites while the world comes 
crashing down around us. We will sometimes be dragged into the fray whether 
we want to or not!

Larry Saltzman



Absolutely. What were they trying to do and where did it go wrong. I read 
about 
he peaceful
emonstrators in Denver who were driven away from their post to a side street 
here they were cornered, beaten and 
prayed with pepper; elderly people in their 80's were part of the group. This 
s unacceptable behavior.
o. What prompted the police (swat team) to do this?
aybe it was Starhawk exhortating the masses to rise up against their 
ppressors.
eing a self-styled resistance and reform leader is just not her calling.
She should join this list and learn how to live, sustainably, permaculturally
nd contribute to that pool of resources
 we all share.




-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lflj@intrex.net>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:55 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: [starhawk] Permaculture Education Bus Seized 
by Twin Cities Police at RNC



bwaldrop@cox.net wrote:
> The message below is being sent out by permaculture activist Starhawk.  
>>Hey friends, we need your help!  Our Earth Activist Training Sustainable
>Skills Bus has been seized without cause by the police.  Below is an account
>from the Wilsons, who have been travelling in the bus for the last seven
>months doing trainings in permaculture and sustainability, including ways
>you can help. 
> My own accounts from the action can be found on
>www.starhawk.org and I¹ll be posting daily as long as I can‹or sign on to my
>own list by emailing starhawk-subscribe@lists.riseup.net.  If you¹re on that
>list, my own account follows.  
I think she should have stayed at home and worked her garden, like the rest 
of 
s do.
hings might have turned out better if that had happened.
 > Please support these folks who have been
>>doing such good work for us all.  Thanks!
Absolutely. What were they trying to do and where did it go wrong. I read 
about 
he peaceful
emonstrators in Denver who were driven away from their post to a side street 
here they were cornered, beaten and 
prayed with pepper; elderly people in their 80's were part of the group. This 
s unacceptable behavior.
o. What prompted=2
0the police (swat team) to do this?
aybe it was Starhawk exhortating the masses to rise up against their 
ppressors.
eing a self-styled resistance and reform leader is just not her calling.
She should join this list and learn how to live, sustainably, permaculturally
nd contribute to that pool of resources we all share.
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