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[john douglas <johnarthurdouglas99@yahoo.com>]

geez. i wish u would have bought any other book. holgrens is a political 
read. 
if, as i assume,  u are interested in practicing the ag part of permaculture 
, any other would be a better choice.
john

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   1. China's rights worsen with games (J. Kolenovsky)
   2. Re: Zero farming, anyone? (Stephen Brennan)
   3. Homegrown Evolution blog on the ethics of raising chickens -
      Boing Boing (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
   4. Upcoming Events: Please Help Spread the Word.....
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:00:26 -0500
From: "J. Kolenovsky" <garden@hal-pc.org>
Subject: [permaculture] China's rights worsen with games
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Didn't a lot of us say that? Or did we say after the frolic, they would
crank back up. Best thing could happen would be massive rioting and
protests with over 1 million people and then get them to all fart at the
same time. That would gas em'! Big cloud.

Or, E.coli in their rice? Don't they use waste for fertilizer? Color
their rivers with food dye.

-- 
J. Kolenovsky
Peak Oil and Co2 
is changing our life-style. 
http://www.energybulletin.net/.
http://www.theoildrum.com/. See movie: 
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:12:13 +0100
From: "Stephen Brennan" <thebrenmeister@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Zero farming, anyone?
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suraj

I spent the winter in auroville, tamil nadu. There are a few people there
using both permaculture and natural farming techniques. Perhaps you could
contact them for some advice and help etc.

Best of Luck with everything

Regards
Stephen

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Suraj Kumar <suraj@sunson.in> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I'm relatively new to permaculture and I'm pretty new to this list
as
> well (joined about a week ago). Infact, I haven't even been able to
> read in depth about permaculture except through wikipedia and such
> online resources. I've just placed an order for Holmgren's
> Permaculture book from Amazon. Besides that, I can only say I'm fairly
> worried about the future given the multitude of crises humanity as a
> whole is facing on this planet (warming, energy crisis, resource
> depletion, etc.,.). I'm from India and permaculture seems to be a
> thing of the 'past'. Yes, of the past. I can find news items on
the
> web about permaculture-related stuff from the past but I see none at
> present. Nor do I know of anyone who is interested / practising
> permaculture.
>
> So, the purpose of this mail is to see if there is anyone from India
> out here talking / doing permaculture.
>
> Secondly, I recently read about a practice called 'Zero farming'
> which, given the lack of information about what it exactly is about,
> makes me think its very similar to Permaculture. Maybe not 'as
> inspired by nature' as Permaculture, but quite close in practice.
> Here's an article I found related to this:
>
> http://www.theacademyofnaturalfarming.com/Zerofarm.html
>
> I'm planning to buy some farmland (2 or 3 acres) down south in India
> (Tamil Nadu) and keep buying additional land as I save up more money.
> To begin with, I plan to stay employed the way I am employed because I
> need a regular salary and have the land taken care of using a friend's
> friend who has been a farmer for generations. The idea is to gradually
> become less dependent on my salary and be able to smoothly transition
> to doing agriculture (permaculture :) ) on this land.  So, short term:
> I'm trying to devise ways to reduce my time spent in my current job
> and gradually start visiting this land and thereby understand
> agriculture.  Given I'm going to buy land, is there any specific /
> general piece of advise that pops up in your head? If there is anybody
> out here from India (I'm in Bangalore) who would like to experiment
> permaculture on a small portion of my land, I'd definitely welcome you
> to join me in the experiments :)
>
> I'm hoping to learn from the collective knowledge of this community :)
>
> Cheers,
>
>  -Suraj
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:06:47 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: [permaculture] Homegrown Evolution blog on the ethics of
        raising chickens - Boing Boing
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<http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/29/homegrown-evolution-1.html>
Boing Boing - A directory of wonderful things
Homegrown Evolution blog on the ethics of raising chickens
Posted by Mark Frauenfelder, July 29, 2008 3:26 PM | permalink
scratching-hen.jpg

On his blog, Erik Knutzen, co-author of the terrific self-sufficiency
guidebook,
The Urban Homestead,
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/23/the-urban-homestead.html
writes about the ethics of raising chickens in the backyard for eggs.

Eric pointed to "Why I Farm,"
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Sustainable-Farming/2007-02-01/Why-I-Farm.aspx
a Mother Earth News essay by Bryan Welch, with this provocative quote:

     I get a lot of laughs watching my animals figure out their lives and I 
get
pretty sad when it?s time to kill them. 
I have a lot more death in my life than I did before. And, ironically, that?s
part of the reason why I feel like I have 
a lot more life in my life. That?s why I farm."

Both Erik's blog post and Welch's essay are worth reading for anyone
thinking about raising livestock at home. I'm 
almost finished with my backyard chicken coop,
http://www.dinosaursandrobots.com/search/label/chickens
so this was especially interesting to me.
An Omnivore's Dilemma (Homegrown Evolution)
http://www.homegrownevolution.com/2008/07/omnivores-dilemma.html




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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:09:38 -0800
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Subject: [permaculture] Upcoming Events: Please Help Spread the
        Word.....
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A recent newspaper article about the increase in the use of goats as herd 
animals, here in the Ozarks, pointed out that goats in this part of the 
country are more prone to intestinal parasites because they typically graze 
here instead of browsing and are thus eating more closely to the soil where 
they can pick up these parasites.  They do much better when browsing, eating 
with their heads up, away from the ground.  So my question is, "Does anybody 
have any experience with plant species that can be cultivated for goats to 
browse on (as opposed to grazing at ground level) that can survive a goat 
herd's tendency to strip their habitat of vegetation"?

  John Fritz, NW Arkansas.



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