permaculture

["paul wheaton" <paul@richsoil.com>]

I think there are lots of miracles that are going to save us.

And I think that understanding this stuff is a significant part of
permaculture.

We are earth stewards.  We each decide if we think it fits with our
sustainable philosophies.

My knee is jerking to say "hell no!", but wait ....   if there is no
waste ...  well, why not?

So then the point becomes:  Are there problems with it that the
marketing people choose to leave out?

It would be good if somebody we trusted looked into it.  I think that
was what the o.p. was doing.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:00 PM,  <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:
> My issue with this is there is nothing any of us can do about it.  Maybe it 
> works, and maybe Bussard went off the deep end. Bussard was certainly a 
> serious scientist, but that doesn't mean he was right. Few on this list are 
> qualified to even evaluate the physics and engineering involved.  Therefore 
> I say stick to what you can solve using Permaculture design principles, and 
> that ain't problems in applied physics for most of us.
>
>  My guess is that there is no miracle technology that is going to save us.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: trevor william johnson <john2116@msu.edu>
>  To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>  Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:24 am
>  Subject: Re: [permaculture] Should Google Go Nuclear? Clean, cheap...
>
>
>
>  I listened to dr. bussards talk and unless you have a background in
>
> hysics and nuclear chemistry it is incomprehensible.  From what i
>
> nderstood the abstract below is right on with its description.  This
>
> rocess, although made of super high technology does not produce any
>
> adioactive waste and cycles its waste products back into the energy
>
> roducing system.   One of the last questions in the Q&A section was
>
> nteresting.  It was asked how long until we see this in action.
>
> ussards response was possibly never because of the paradigm
>
> aralysis tat pervades government labs.
>  Does anyone else have comment on this?  I think this is very
>
>
> nteresting.
>  Trevor
>  On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>  >
>   Should Google Go Nuclear? Clean, cheap...
>   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606
>   Google Tech Talks November 9, 2006
>
>   ABSTRACT This is not your father's fusion reactor! Forget
>   everything you know about conventional thinking on nuclear
>   fusion: high-temperature plasmas, steam turbines, neutron radiation
>   and even nuclear waste are a thing of the past.
>   Goodbye thermonuclear fusion; hello inertial electrostatic
>   confinement fusion (IEC), an old idea that's been made new.
>   While the international community debates the fate of the
>   politically-turmoiled $12 billion ITER (an experimental
>   thermonuclear reactor), simple IEC reactors are being built as high-
>   school science fair projects.
>
>   Dr. Robert Bussard, former Asst. Director of the Atomic Energy
>   Commission and founder of Energy Matter Conversion
>   Corporation (EMC2), has spent 17 years perfecting IEC, a fusion
>   process that converts hydrogen and boron directly into
>   electricity producing helium as the only waste product. Most of
>   this work was funded by the Department of Defense, the
>   details of which have been under seal... until now.
>
>   Dr. Bussard will discuss his recent results and details of this
>   potentially world-altering technology, whose conception
>   dates back as far as 1924, and even includes a reactor design by
>   Philo T. Farnsworth (inventor of the scanning television).
>
>   Can a 100 MW fusion reactor be built for less than Google's annual
>   electricity bill? Come see what's possible when you
>   think outside the thermonuclear box and ignore the herd.  «
>
>
>
>   ////////////////////////
>
>   this gentleman sounds a little like Buckminster Fuller and with
>   similar ambition and vision
>   watch this video all the way through, it will be worth it
>   many topics are covered related to alternative energy sources from
>   fusion to anhydrous alcohol
>   to benefit all countries and all levels of societies in thos countries
>
>   Toby & Hugh: Watch this and give us your review.
>
>
>
>   Cheers,
>
>   LL
>
>
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