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My issue with this is there is nothing any of us can do about it.  Maybe it 
works, and maybe Bussard went off the deep end. Bussard was certainly a 
serious scientist, but that doesn't mean he was right. Few on this list are 
qualified to even evaluate the physics and engineering involved.  Therefore I 
say stick to what you can solve using Permaculture design principles, and 
that ain't problems in applied physics for most of us.

My guess is that there is no miracle technology that is going to save us.

-----Original Message-----
From: trevor william johnson <john2116@msu.edu>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:24 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Should Google Go Nuclear? Clean, cheap...



I listened to dr. bussards talk and unless you have a background in  
hysics and nuclear chemistry it is incomprehensible.  From what i  
nderstood the abstract below is right on with its description.  This  
rocess, although made of super high technology does not produce any  
adioactive waste and cycles its waste products back into the energy  
roducing system.   One of the last questions in the Q&A section was  
nteresting.  It was asked how long until we see this in action.    
ussards response was possibly never because of the paradigm  
aralysis tat pervades government labs.
Does anyone else have comment on this?  I think this is very  
nteresting.
Trevor
On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
 Should Google Go Nuclear? Clean, cheap...
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606
 Google Tech Talks November 9, 2006

 ABSTRACT This is not your father's fusion reactor! Forget  
 everything you know about conventional thinking on nuclear
 fusion: high-temperature plasmas, steam turbines, neutron radiation  
 and even nuclear waste are a thing of the past.
 Goodbye thermonuclear fusion; hello inertial electrostatic  
 confinement fusion (IEC), an old idea that's been made new.
 While the international community debates the fate of the  
 politically-turmoiled $12 billion ITER (an experimental
 thermonuclear reactor), simple IEC reactors are being built as high- 
 school science fair projects.

 Dr. Robert Bussard, former Asst. Director of the Atomic Energy  
 Commission and founder of Energy Matter Conversion
 Corporation (EMC2), has spent 17 years perfecting IEC, a fusion  
 process that converts hydrogen and boron directly into
 electricity producing helium as the only waste product. Most of  
 this work was funded by the Department of Defense, the
 details of which have been under seal... until now.

 Dr. Bussard will discuss his recent results and details of this  
 potentially world-altering technology, whose conception
 dates back as far as 1924, and even includes a reactor design by  
 Philo T. Farnsworth (inventor of the scanning television).

 Can a 100 MW fusion reactor be built for less than Google's annual  
 electricity bill? Come see what's possible when you
 think outside the thermonuclear box and ignore the herd.  «



 ////////////////////////

 this gentleman sounds a little like Buckminster Fuller and with  
 similar ambition and vision
 watch this video all the way through, it will be worth it
 many topics are covered related to alternative energy sources from  
 fusion to anhydrous alcohol
 to benefit all countries and all levels of societies in thos countries

 Toby & Hugh: Watch this and give us your review.



 Cheers,

 LL


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