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["David Glober" <david.glober@gmail.com>]

thanks!

On Jan 22, 2008 1:38 PM, <LINDARAY@att.net> wrote:

> Hello David,
>
> Thinking out loud is how I think of it also :). IMO it works well- Things
> get done, ideas get exchanged, cooperative efforts get organized. Look, one
> of the good results is we have a new SeedSavers List :). I hope you'll join
> it too..
>
> Go here to subscribe to it:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/seedsavers
>
> The more folks who save seeds, the better at it we all get, and the more
> resources we all have..
>
> Namaste,
>
> Linda
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------- Original message from "David Glober" <
> david.glober@gmail.com>: --------------
>
>
> > So what I'm wondering most of all, as a newbie to this list but a
> veteran of
> > other lists in other fields - is what does it feel like to have been
> saving
> > seed for 33 years? That must deeply rewarding and connecting in several
> > ways.
> >
> > Also as a recent arrival to the list - I don't think most of the posts
> have
> > been divisive. I think there has been some thinking out loud. I think
> there
> > has been some rush to take sides. I think Boards of Directors are often
> > messy, corrupt, etc., as some one commented. Divorces being extended
> into
> > that situation, whoever's done what (and of course I'd like to know
> who's
> > done what, but mostly it is about the seeds) - just add more to the mix.
> >
> > I'm trying to get it into my head and heart just a little bit more:
> >
> > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> >
> > david glober, thinking out loud a bit from san francisco
> >
> >
> > On Jan 22, 2008 8:46 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Speaking of "extending the divisiveness".....the kind of reactivity
> > > folks are manifesting is EXACTLY the attitude that EXAGGERATES
> > > divisiveness....
> > > Monsanto, reading these comments, would be rubbing their hands with
> > > glee, nudging their buddies and saying, "Perfect, just what we
> intended.
> > > People are SO easy to manipulate", followed by high-fives all around.
> > >
> > > I'm joining Toby's more sober, calm, and observational perspective, on
> > > the fence, agreeing AND disagreeing with parties on both sides.
> > >
> > > Choosing between thoughtless emotional reaction and careful extended
> > > observation is very easy. I go for the latter....as would most
> > > well-trained permaculturists.
> > > It yields better decisions, better design, and better results.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, I've been saving seed for 33 years, will continue to do so,
> > > and now seems like a great time to tap into the SSE network (and
> > > others...we don't HAVE to go through the SSE board) to stock up on
> some
> > > valuable genetics....just in case.
> > >
> > > Also, I think its time to seriously think about stocking up on stored
> > > food and growing the biggest gardens ever.
> > >
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > > Teach people to garden and to save and exchange seed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
> > > > Toby Hemenway wrote:
> > > > <...>
> > > > Thank you Toby for pointing out more of the obvious and
> insignificant
> > > and helping
> > > > extend the divisiveness perpetrated by those trying to take over the
> > > SSE. Kent is the only owner of that organization
> > > > and I will continue to help him regain control of SSE any way I can.
> > > > Going on about the importance of there being "two sides" to the
> issue is
> > > merely a tactic to avoid overtly supporting
> > > > Kent, instead succumbing to the misinformation campaign to unseat
> him
> > > and steal the SSE. Who knows what they will
> > > > do with it if they can take it over. You certainly don't and I
> prefer to
> > > err on the side of caution and continue to
> > > > support Kent instead of getting suckered by the silly smut campaiign
> > > some are perpetrating against him. True or false
> > > > about that, no matter. Kent built the SSE and deserves to continue
> to
> > > own and run it as the only qualified person
> > > > capable of doing so. The Board of SSE needs to resign immediately.
> If
> > > you don't side with Kent you're helping the
> > > > thieves steal SSE from the public. Noone knows what the future of
> SSE
> > > will be in the hands of the currnet Board and the
> > > > Advisers. The old saying "you never missi it until its gone" and
> "keep
> > > the faith" apply in the here and now. The world
> > > > of market farming and homestead gardening have a big stake in the
> SSE,
> > > whose future would be secure under Kent and
> > > > dubious at best under the control of the plunderers.
> > > >
> > > > I thought you "permies" were more loyal to your roots, those who
> > > contributed directly an indirectly to the origin aand
> > > > sustenance of the permaculture movement. Instead it looks like a lot
> of
> > > wallowing in pointless polemics in the interest
> > > > of "fairness". What's fair in this SSE crisis is to return control
> of
> > > SSE to Kent and his chosen staff.
> > > >
> > > > LL
> > > >
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