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Re: [permaculture] Why Bother With Permaculture? An essay by Ted Trainer
- From: "oliver smith callis" <oliversmithcallis@gmail.com>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Why Bother With Permaculture? An essay by Ted Trainer
- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:49:28 -0700
I really appreciate Scott's and Stella's comments on this. What are some of
the ways that you teach/ flesh out the invisible structure or alternative
nation aspects of permaculture?
Right now in my bioregion we are dealing with water law and the destructive
water use practices of the American West that it reinforces (I live on the
Wasatch Front in Utah). A way to re-design this social structure around
water is critical if the ecoregions and health of our watershed is to
survive. I can make my home as self-reliant as possible using permaculture
design, but that doesn't guarantee the well-being of my nieces and nephews,
much less their children. If I don't apply it to the greater forces at
large, urban sprawl *will* swallow the wetlands around Utah Lake, the
migratory birds will vanish and the June Suckers will go the way of the Utah
Suckers who unlike the brown trout became extinct when they lost this one
habitat. I don't think we'd be far behind them, especially in a
health/spiritual sense. We can't think of the well being of the next seven
generations and not apply permaculture to government/society/economy.
Scott, I imagine you have encountered similar issues in the west of the US
as well, what is your perspective on how we can effectively approach US
water law, and an urban sprawl/growth economy with design? I am just
beginning to learn about how interrelated they are with local politics, as
well the history of the whole convoluted mess. I just learned that the
foundation for water law in the west was laid down by the Mormon settlers
that settled much of it - some of whom were my ancestors - so I hope that my
understanding of their history and of permaculture can help to
undo/re-design what they started.
thanks,
Oliver
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[permaculture] Why Bother With Permaculture? An essay by Ted Trainer,
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