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  • From: "Healing Hawk" <healinghawk@earthlink.net>
  • To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] biggest global concerns and priorities
  • Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:39:54 -0600

Anyone who relies on mainstream economists to make his theories hold
together lost me. Mainstream economists don't know anything about anything
but money. Money is a human invention. It has no value in nature. Science
shot Lomborg down years ago. He's a wingnut. Ecological economists at
least know that economics is a subset of ecology, rather than the reverse.
Mainstream economics may be academia's last bastion of absolute ignorance of
systems theory.

I don't see being the editor, or former editor, of Discovery Magazine to be
much of an encouraging credential, either, but at least he talks science
rather than economics.

When Petranek talks about the world ending, it seems to me he refers to
human extinction. The world probably isn't going to end. Humanity may yet
prove itself to be a failed species, and take a lot of life with it as it
goes down, but Earth will survive, and, in time, recover and try again.

Ecology now knows how the world works. Petranek said we now know more about
how the universe works than some of us would believe. I think it is crucial
for everyone who teaches to learn enough Ecology to also know how the world
works. _Resilience Thinking_, by Brian Walker and David Salt, gets right to
it. Eugene Odum's text _Ecology: A Bridge Between Science and Ecology_
gives the backstory and reads like a novel, almost, for me. _Resilience
Thinking_ is excellent, though, as an introduction to the nuts and bolts of
how Ecology works in the real world.

We're faced with saving a global ecological regime that supports life as we
know it from wingnuts like Lomborg who wouldn't know an ecological threshold
if it hit him in the head. Let's keep clear on that. Obsolete information
such as mainstream economics won't save us, and that's all Lomborg has going
for him.

Tommy Tolson
Austin, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of camille cimino
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:53 PM
To: LAPG; permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [permaculture] biggest global concerns and priorities

both of theses talks gave me a whole new perspective
on 2 things we all seem to be talking
about................


Stephan Petranek - 10 ways the world can end

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/167

solutions...........

Bjorn Lomburg - Global Priorities

http://www.ted.com/index.php/speakers/view/id/64

i NEVER would have guessed.

i think sometimes the problems are too big and/or too
familiar for us to notice.





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