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["ethan roland" <eroland@gmail.com>]

Howdy All -

Dave Jacke + Eric Toensmeier's book "Edible Forest Gardens Volume 2" has an
appendix that lists plant species that are tolerant of and susceptible to
the Juglone compounds that walnut trees exude from leaves, bark, roots. I
don't have the book handy, but it's quite a list!

Dave sells the books directly at a reduced price if anyone's interested -
www.edibleforestgardens.com

Cheers,
Ethan

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>    2. BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Burmese struggle goes   underground
>       (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    3. List of what grows near Walnut Trees (Sharon Gordon)
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> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:11:41 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] BBC NEWS | Business | Will biofuel leave the
>         poor    hungry?
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> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7026105.stm>
> Last Updated: Wednesday, 3 October 2007, 23:07 GMT 00:07 UK
> Will biofuel leave the poor hungry?
> By Maggie Ayre
> Radio 4's Costing the Earth
>
> It is one of the most hotly debated environmental topics of the year -
> whether the drive to produce alternative
> so-called green fuels will take food from the mouths of the hungry.
>
> Wheat grains in farmer's hands
> Is it ethical to burn food while people starve?
>
> For environmental groups like Friends of the Earth, it's a no brainer.
>
> "If you start to fuel cars with crops," says Ed Matthew, "you are
> instantly putting the world's one billion starving
> people in competition with the world's one billion motorists. It's as
> simple as that."
>
> Green groups and aid agencies cite biofuels as forming part of the
> "perfect storm" of poor harvests, rising oil prices
> and a surge in demand for food from China and India that are all pushing
> up the price of everything from pasta to a loaf
> of bread.
>
> In fact, the first flashpoint in the food versus fuel conflict has already
> happened.
>
> Mexican anger at more expensive corn flour led to the so called "tortilla
> riots" at the beginning of the year.
>
> The price rises were attributed to the United States' large-scale switch
> from food to fuel production, meaning less
> maize exported to its southern neighbour.
>
> Misleading argument
>
> However, a look at the bigger picture reveals that an apparent straight
> case of fuel taking precedence over food is
> misleading.
>
> Biofuels could be in the vanguard of much higher standards for
> international trade in agricultural commodities
> National Farmers Union's biofuels advisor Jonathan Scurlock
>
> For years, Mexican dependency on cheap American corn had ruined the
> Mexican maize business and millions of farmers had
> left the land.
>
> Now Mexicans are starting to grow maize again. It is a slow process, but
> it will start to reduce their dependency on the
> north.
>
> And this is a key part of the debate, according to the UK National Farmers
> Union's biofuels advisor Jonathan Scurlock.
>
> He thinks that greater demand for food and fuel could help galvanise
> agriculture in developing countries, which for many
> years have had their farming industries crushed by cheap imports.
>
> Not just food
>
> Farmers in the West point out that their past food surpluses dumped on
> developing world markets never alleviated hunger.
>
> "This is all about 'trade not aid'," says Scurlock.
>
> Saab Bio Power Hybrid
> Car makers offer models powered by ethanol made from plants
>
> "It would be a very good thing if developing countries could produce
> something that we in the West were prepared to pay
> a fair price for."
>
> However, Friends of the Earth is sceptical that farmers in developing
> countries will see much benefit from the growth in
> bio fuels.
>
> Mr Matthew says large global corporations and landowners are more likely
> to be the winners, while the small farmer will
> lose out.
>
> Mr Scurlock concedes that in the short term food prices could rise.
>
> "But let's be frank," he says, "the public can afford to pay more for
> quality food and the impact will be to bring more
> land worldwide into production."
>
> Mr Scurlock firmly believes there is enough land worldwide to grow both
> food and fuel comfortably.
>
> He says we would never have had such a massive tobacco industry if we had
> wanted only to use land for growing food crops.
>
> Urgent issue
>
> Indeed, United Nations figures show there to be around 2 billion hectares
> (f5 billion acres) of degraded land globally
> that could be put into production - 25% in Africa, 25% in Asia, 25% in the
> Americas; the rest scattered around the world
> in places like Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
>
> This is land that has either been used for agriculture then abandoned or
> has been mismanaged or contaminated.
>
> The environmental group, WWF produced a report earlier this year,
> concluding that 18 million hectares of rainforest in
> Southeast Asia are currently lying idle after being cleared for timber
> production.
>
> This land could, if responsibly managed, says WWF, be used for palm oil
> production.
>
> And that is the crux of the matter - the need to ensure that biofuels are
> ethically produced.
>
> The issue is urgent.
>
> In the UK, fuel suppliers are having to adapt to the Renewable Transport
> Fuel Obligation - requiring 5% of all fuel sold
> by 2010 to come from renewable sources.
>
> There is growing concern that sourcing must be included in the
> environmental criteria set by the European Union.
>
> But Mr Scurlock remains optimistic that biofuels will lead to an upturn
> for farmers everywhere.
>
> "Biofuels could be in the vanguard of much higher standards for
> international trade in agricultural commodities," he says.
>
> Radio 4's Costing the Earth: Food versus Fuel is broadcast on Thursday 4
> October at 2100BST, repeated Friday 5 October
> at 1500BST.
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> SEE ALSO
> Biofuels 'will not lead to hunger'
> 05 Oct 06 |  Science/Nature
> Saab eyes low-volume future
> 12 Sep 07 |  Business
> EU biofuel policy is a 'mistake'
> 17 Aug 07 |  Science/Nature
> Biofuels look to the next generation
> 18 Sep 06 |  Science/Nature
> EU urged to monitor biofuel boom
> 05 Jul 07 |  Business
>
> RELATED BBC LINKS
> Radio 4: Costing the Earth
>
> RELATED INTERNET LINKS
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6294133.stm
> The UK Government's Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation feasibility report
> EU - Innovation and technological development in energy
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:22:48 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Burmese struggle
>         goes    underground
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> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7026259.stm>
> Last Updated: Wednesday, 3 October 2007, 16:13 GMT 17:13 UK
> Burmese struggle goes underground
> By Andrew Harding
> BBC News, Bangkok
>
> On the telephone from Rangoon, the businessman sounded desperate.
>
> Street market in Rangoon
> For some Burmese, life appears to be returning to normal...
>
> "I have looked everywhere," he said.
>
> "The soldiers took my daughter off the street last week. I don't know if
> she is injured or what has happened to her. She
> is 18."
>
> As Burma's military authorities continue to hunt down and arrest those
> suspected of involvement in last week's massive
> street protests, the fate of an unknown number of detained monks and
> civilians remains unclear.
>
> "I have heard that 6,000 people may be missing - that sounds plausible,"
> said one Western diplomat, on condition of
> anonymity.
>
> A local United Nations official said his office was still looking for
> several staff members and their families.
>
> Satellite map of area
>
> The businessman hunting for his daughter had already visited two places
> widely thought to have been turned into
> makeshift detention centres - a sports complex at Rangoon's old race
> course, and a technical institute in the north of
> the city.
>
> "The soldiers outside the institute told me it was empty," said the
> businessman, "but a friend in the neighbourhood told
> me two buildings were being used - one for female prisoners, and the other
> mainly for monks. I am at a loss as to what
> to do now."
>
> "It's frightening to even think about the fate of those monks," said Shari
> Villarosa, the senior US diplomat in Rangoon.
>
> She said conditions in Burmese prisons were "very grim, with reports of
> torture".
>
> "The message has to get to the generals that this is not how a legitimate
> government acts in the 21st Century," she added.
>
> 'Sleep deprivation'
>
> But the Burmese authorities have shown no signs of responding to
> international pressure.
>
> Military vehicles patrol Rangoon's streets before dawn, with loudspeakers
> announcing: "We have photographs. We are going
> to make arrests."
>
> Protests in Rangoon on 27 September
> ... but the anger that erupted last week is bubbling under the surface
>
> A former Burmese political prisoner, who spent a decade in jail for
> criticising the regime, said it was safe to assume
> from his own experiences that many of those detained would be tortured.
>
> "The monks will have a very hard time," he said.
>
> "I was blindfolded and subjected to sleep deprivation. They interrogated
> me in shifts for 11 days."
>
> The man, who lives in Rangoon, wanted to remain anonymous for his own
> safety but urged the outside world to put pressure
> on the authorities by publicising the names of those arrested.
>
> "That has to happen now. Not next week or next month."
>
> Military plea
>
> Although the Burmese military has forced the protesters off Rangoon's
> streets, this does not appear to have broken the
> resolve of democracy campaigners.
>
> Nilar Thein has been in hiding since the very first street protests,
> triggered by abrupt fuel price rises, were broken
> up by police and hired government thugs last month.
>
> Although her husband and many other leading activists from the "88
> Generation" (named after the last student uprising of
> 1988) are now in prison, Nilar Thein is still on the run with a handful of
> other activists.
>
> Reached by telephone, she broke away from a planning meeting to declare:
> "There will be more sacrifices ahead. We must
> find a way to win this battle by joining hands with the monks and the
> public."
>
> She urged members of the Burmese armed forces to stop fighting for
> "generals with blood on their hands".
>
> Nilar, 35, left her five-month-old daughter with her mother-in-law when
> she went into hiding. Police are now guarding
> the house.
>
> Asked when she thought she would see her child again, Nilar replied: "I
> hope when we are finally victorious that all our
> families will be reunited.
>
> "I can't predict how long that will take."
>
> Satellite map of the part of Rangoon where many of the protesting monks
> are believed to be being held
>
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> BURMA PROTESTS
>
> KEY STORIES
> Monks 'trying to escape Rangoon'
> UN envoy holds key talks
> Burmese monks 'to be sent away'
> In pictures: Burma crackdown
>
> FEATURES
> A man prays at Shwedagon pagoda in Rangoon, Burma Waiting game
> Tension is high in Rangoon as the Burmese fear more violence
>
> Daily hardship
> Desperate exiles
> Into the unknown
> Sanctions' limited effect
> Suu Kyi: Silent symbol
> Junta tightens media screw
> China's role in the crisis
>
> BACKGROUND
> monk Q&A: Protests
> The background to the protests against the Burmese military
> Where the world stands
> Burma v Myanmar
> Aung San Suu Kyi
> Burma's hardline generals
> Who are Burma's monks?
> Burma's 1988 protests
>
> WATCH/LISTEN
> watch Fleeing to Thailand
> watch Monks lead revolt
> watch World watches on
>
> HAVE YOUR SAY
> How will the crisis end?
>
>
> RELATED BBC LINKS
> BBC Burmese
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:31:42 -0400
> From: "Sharon Gordon" <gordonse@one.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] List of what grows near Walnut Trees
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Does anyone have the list handy of what grows well under or near Walnut
> Trees from the earlier discussion?  Anyone have additions to the list?
>
> Sharon
> gordonse@one.net
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:46:40 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] List of what grows near Walnut Trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I haven't seen the list circulating but I have a 15 year old forest
> garden with Buartnuts as the overstory.  Beneath & in the vicinity I
> have growing hazelnuts, filberts, comfrey, elderberry, day lilies,
> caragana, aronia, gooseberry, horseradish, seabuckthorn, sumac, hardy
> kiwi, hops, groundnut (apios americana), bush chestnuts, biomass
> willow, swiss nut pine, multiflora rose, hardy pecan, carpathian walnut.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
> Chestnuts are starting to drop...
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Sharon Gordon wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have the list handy of what grows well under or near
> > Walnut Trees from the earlier discussion?  Anyone have additions to
> > the list?
> >
> > Sharon
> > gordonse@one.net
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:45:19 -0700
> From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
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> Subject: [permaculture] Launch of Buckminster Fuller Institute award
>         for "Design Revolution" first annual Buckminster Fuller Challenge.
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> Launch of Buckminster Fuller Institute award for "Design Revolution"
>
> On the occasion of the 112th birthday of one of the 20th century's
> most prescient futurists and global thinkers, The Buckminster Fuller
> Institute (BFI) announces the launch of the first annual Buckminster
> Fuller Challenge.
>
> Established to catalyze the vanguard of a global design revolution,
> the Challenge will award a single $100,000 prize annually to support
> the development and implementation of a solution with significant
> potential to solve the world's most pressing problems in the shortest
> possible time while enhancing the earth's ecological integrity.
>
> The first prize will be conferred in June of 2008, timed to coincide
> with the opening of the first major retrospective exhibition of
> Buckminster Fuller's work in the US at the Whitney Museum of American
> Art in New York City.
>
> Entries accepted September 4th - October 30th, 2007. This is a
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