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  • From: lbsaltzman@aol.com
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Looking for good examples of the use of berms and swales &...
  • Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:32:40 -0400

I would tend to agree with your position on sand.? Even if it worked I would
be reluctant to expend the fossil fuel to bring it to my property.? the
solution lies with what can be done on site without the expenditure of large
amounts of fossil fuel. Recycling wine barrels which are abundent where I
live has worked.?The expenditure to bring a few wine barrels?back to the
property is minimal compared to trucking sand and I am reusing something that
has finished its' original function. By providing a local market for
barrels?I contribute?to preventing wineries shipping them longer distances.
Birms also work and can be built out of the waste organic matter that my
property generates.


-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Lee <albertcclee@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Looking for good examples of the use of berms and
swales &...



Dear S&M and M. Elvin,

Adding sand to clay will actually make the clay harder when it dries out.
Plus
the cost and labor of trucking in sand is very energy intensive. The best way
to
plant on clay soil is to keep the soil moist with a thick mulch. Good luck.

Albert

----- Original Message ----
From: "Marimike6@cs.com" <Marimike6@cs.com>
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:02:22 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Looking for good examples of the use of berms and
swales &...

S&M,
You complain that your veggies "sulk and fail" in your heavy clay soil. Do
you have access to any free sand in the neighborhood? If you're talking about
just putting in a small vegetable garden, I would consider trucking in a
couple
of loads of sand and tilling them in thoroughly. While you're doing that it
will be easy to berm it into raised beds.

I suspect the problem is not with your dirt's organic content, but just the
fact that the glue you're trying to grow stuff in is drowning the new
rootlets,
depriving them of air. Give it a try, and see what comes up.

M. Elvin
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