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G'day,

I trust that this greets you and all well.

I agree with Su that this apparent schism between Bill and David is doing
nothing for the movement, though this itself as a statement is up for grabs.
Whatever the case it has gravitated to, for want of a better word, some kind
of Permaculture folklore. For most new people to Permaculture, at least at
the courses that I am involved with, they are rather perplexed at the nature
of the situation and the lack of clarity on the matter of the genesis of
Permaculture nor the relationship between its co-founders in its creation. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no independent, non-partisan written
history of Permaculture as such, and so nothing in print, from any camp,
that clearly defines the whole situation for all of us punters out there. Do
people ultimately care, well that is another matter. This is the stuff of
some natural human fascination, the fodder of which many a page has been and
continues to be wasted on in the ordinary world.    

How important this all is to the movement is ultimately up to the
individual, as fallings out happen all of the time in life. That said both
parties have and continue to, along with everyone else actively involved and
working in Permaculture, have an important role to play at events like IPC8,
and to this vital movement.

I would have thought that on the basis of merit alone David, as should the
Lawton's, Mollison's, Sharif's, Francis's etc. etc. should definitely be a
big part of IPC8, just as the many others out there who are doing important
work in all of the facets our movement entails. It is ultimately up to
people to put their ego's in the draw, forget the politics, not be so
discretionary and move on to the main game - whomever that may involve for
the ultimate effect. 

For me personally, I am friends with both David and Bill, and you don't like
to see such considerable people not getting along. But again this is life
and not unusual, so you just move through the maze and get on with things. 

So let's hope that David is able to attend IPC8, or that the reasons for his
not be clearly and publicly enunciated 
 

Yours and Growing,

 

Ciao,

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-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
holmgren@netconnect.com.au
Sent: Saturday, 27 January 2007 8:44 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] ipc8 in brasil

Dear Skye, some time back we sent you our proposal for what we can 
offer on our visit to america latina starting at IPC8 but I haven't 
receive a reply from you. Did you receive it? We would like to offer 
a 3-4 day  advanced Permaculture Principles workshop in conjunction 
with the convergence and continue on from there. We are feeling a 
little under siege as David has not been invited to speak at the 
convergence or conference so are not sure how to go about or where to 
offer this course so that attendees can take advantage of this offer. 
Ali Sharif does not acknowledge David's existence in the Pc world and 
seems to help Bill in his attempt to write David out of history. We 
do not want to add to this divisiveness ... it does nothing for the 
movement. When we were in Croatia at the last IPC David asked Bill to 
stop doing this stuff in public and do something to show a coming 
together for the sake of the movement, personal stuff aside for the 
sake of the movement.
Ali Shariff present at the time.
We would really appreciate some thoughts from you about this matter.
Cheers, Su Dennett


  

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