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  • From: Jody Troupe <jodyt2@mac.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] OT: BBC NEWS | Health | 'Friendly bacteria'gumforteeth]
  • Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:27:23 -0700

> Lawrence wrote:
>"Anyone familiar with this method of food combining and raw foods diets in
>general?"

Steve's information is new to me, and very interesting. I haven't studied
macrobiotics at all.

I will vouch for food combining though, at least in terms of testing it with
myself and my family. The routine I followed seems to parallel what Lawrence
described and helped immensely to reduce or eliminate many problems. More
recently, someone handed me the book "Fit for Life" and food combining seems
to be the process that author used to overcome a lifetime of stomach pain and
problems. There seem to be many benefits.

Different practitioners mix theories though, and it becomes hard to know if a
pure theory is the best to follow. Of the different methods I've been
studying (at a hobby, and personal practice level), Carey Reams method spoke
to me the most, so I have begun the classes and am half-way through the
course.

Without elaborating on that topic, I have just a couple things items relevant
to the food combining and raw foods issues.

>From an RBTI (Reams Biological Theory of Ionization) perspective, when
>digestion is weak, food combining would make sense. The digestive enzymes
>are weak (which reflects a weakened liver strength) and the more variety of
>foods put together in the stomach, the harder the digestion has to work. As
>the health equation is strengthened (through recommended eating,
>supplements, rest, etc) digestion should improve and some foods that were
>once not digestible, become digestible.

RBTI is also not a proponent of all raw foods (but juicing and raw foods are
definitely part of a recommended diet). Although enzymes are destroyed in the
cooking process, cooked food is going to be easier to digest because the
cooking process is like pre-digestion. Very ill people will benefit from an
all-cooked diet because their systems just can't handle the initial breakdown
process. This can be applied to the elderly, and very small children as well.

A child's liver (or rather, digestion) hasn't matured to the point of being
able to digest all the foods adults can which is why certain things are not
beneficial for kids. According to RBTI rules, children should not be given
nut butters until age 8 unless the nuts are well steamed or boiled, and they
should not be given fish or meat until 12 yrs old. Not relevent to raw foods,
but an interesting note pertaining to liver maturation is that children's
livers don't 'pick up' manganese, a nutrient that is key to the development
of the sex organs. When their liver begins to process manganese - - voila.
Puberty.

I would have to say I am finding a lot of truth in most approaches to eating,
but where people don't respond well to a method, their 'health equation' can
explain why.

J. Troupe








On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 06:13AM, Steve Hoog
<livingpotentials@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Lawrence----I've been studying macrobiotics and chinese medecine since the
>70'sand am a macro counselor. We've used different rules for what to eat,
>what order to eat
> in a meal, and how often one eats a particular food. In regular
> macrobiotic education the food combining that you mention is rarely
> mentioned but i am aware of the theory and find that macrobiotic eating is
> in alignment with much of it. Digestion is complex and can be different for
> a variety of people because there are a lot of imbalances.
> Macrobiotic theory suggests eating miso soup at the beginning of a
> meal[at least once a day] to provide those beneficial digestive enzymes
> especially for grains and beans and eating slightly salty pickles at the
> end of the meal for more enzymes for vegetable digestion.Non salted
> cultured vegetables would also work as would an occassional fermented
> dairy.The order of eating goes from eating contracting foods first then
> more expansive foods until dessert which is most expansive.This allows the
> stomach to expand naturally after not eating for awhile. This could go
> either soup-grain-bean dish[or fish]---grain-well cooked root
> veggies--grain--litely cooked leafy greens--grain---dessert......or it
> could go soup--grain--beans--grain--roots---grain -
> leaves--grain-beans-grain--roots--grain--leaves etc until finished then
> dessert....This isnt a hard and fast rule but seems to work for most
> people.When you really go off your body lets you know.
> If you eat a variety of vegetables it is rarely a concern about
> eating too many starches in one meal but its a good thing to be aware of..
> Generally combining concentrated proteins doesnt happen. I generally teach
> to eat one bean at a meal but occassionally a three bean salad works and
> its ok...nuts and seeds are not emphasized so sprinkling a few into the
> dishes doesnt seem to affect digestion. When fish is eaten it is usually
> not a lot but the grain portion is usually reduced and nonstarchy
> vegetables are increased...also eating sweets with grain is a bit difficult
> on the digestion because the sugar inhibits the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth
> and the grain may not get broken down properly unless you chew alot.Baked
> flour/grain,sugar,fruit desserts dont make up a big part of the way of
> eating so eating it once in a while doesnt cause too much of a problem.
> Its interesting to note that if you see how th stomach digests food you
> could come up with a different way of eating. The stomach primarily
> digests protein which can take some time. It allows carbs to go thru fairly
> quickly. When we eat oils and fats they are hardest to digest by the bile
> in the small intestine. If we eat oils first that can keep the carbs and
> protein held in the stomach longer than they need to be and we would feel
> bloated. So one way to eat would be to eat all your carbs and veggies
> first ,then proteins, then oils and fats ..or at least come close to that
> like eating sauteed or fried dishes at the end.Just another thing to play
> around with and see what works.
> Now if someone has parasites,candida, leaky gut syndrome, or other
> digestive imbalances you would have to get very specific as to what foods
> to eat and when. i use muscle testing a lot determine that.
> In oriental medecine raw foods are considered to have cold energy and
> not beneficial for digestion at least in the long term despite the fact
> that they have added enzymes.You dont usually see salads in a chinese
> restaurant and in macrobiotic cooking we emphasize pressed salads[pressure
> and salts contract and start the breakdown process]. Warming herbs like
> ginger and cumin are used to activate the pancreatic enzymes and ensure
> proper breakdown.
> Anyway i've used these principles for many years with lots of people
> and have been pretty successful with them. ------steve hoog
>
>"Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net> wrote:
> Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Food combining for maximum digestion, maximum nutrition and maximum
>> health involves creating meals wherein certain foods and food groups are
>> matched according to how well they can be
>> digested when combined.
>> Foods that are acid, starchy, neutral (maybe alkaline?) foods such as
>> non-starchy vegetables,
>> subacid, sweet, oily and protein may be eaten together when combined
>> according to certain rules. There are charts and a
>> few books that define acceptable combinations. A meal must be completely
>> digested before another can be eaten.
>
>A few corrections and additions.
>
>> Certain foods must be eaten alone, melons for example. Sweet foods
>> (fruits) alone may be combined and eaten alone. Any single
>> element in the protein group may be consumed but not combined with any
>> other protein, i.e. one bean type, one seed
>> type, one nut type. Oily protein may be combined with acid foods and non
>> starchy vegetables. Starchy foods may be
>> combined with non acid vegetables but not with oily protein, i.e. no
>> starch with oily protein or acid foods.
>> Sub-acid foods like tomatoes and peaches may be combined with neutral
>> vegetables and not with oily protein or starch or acid foods.
>
>Anyone familiar with this method of food combining and raw foods diets in
>general?
>
>
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