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  • From: Katherine Steele <ksteele@steelemoon.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] List Host Blues
  • Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 01:43:50 -0800

This is so exhausting. Another International Permaculture List was started not long ago and set up primarily in response to the poor moderation skills and unbridled temper of this list's host. Read the purpose and guidelines and register here if you like. http:// openpermaculture.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture_openpermaculture.org

A list serve host's job as I understand is not only technical but is primarily to facilitate conversations and *prevent* conflict and flaming, rather than generate it.

It's a real shame that every few months all the subscribers of this list have to go through this. It feel's abusive. Though I don't post here often, I throughly enjoy reading this list and have learned quite a bit from all of you over the past few years.

Larry why don't you let someone else host this list for while. You really continuously cause people to get upset and some resort to leaving. It's sad when things like that happen that could be avoided.

Take a break and let someone else drive and maybe you could learn something from observing their style.

Peace
~Kat

ps thanks lauren and others who spend time/energy and awareness on this and go through the ringer for it



On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

Loren Davidson wrote:


The "oppression inherent in the system" is no excuse for failure to
treat people with common courtesy, IMO. Unless you've become an
"evangelical farmer" or some such, ready to send all non-believers to
the auto-da-fe. Which is unfortunately what you're sounding like
here, and it's scary. This is how religious wars start. Next you'll
be issuing "farmer fatwas."


Thanks a lot. You should join the abusive right wing conservatives. With your attitudes you
could be very useful to them. Other than that you're full of shit.


I also feel that it's a point of view that is totally incompatible
with Permaculture as I know it. But I'll admit that I'm not one of
the individuals who coined the term, so perhaps my understanding of
the term is faulty.


You probably need to spend more time learning about permaculture and a lot less
with phony-agenda pseudo-elitist high-moral-ground extremist political correctness.


We need to be working together, recognizing and incorporating
diversity in a social/political polyculture,


And how would you suggest going about doint that and define more clearly the abjectives.
Serious question to stimulate a change of topic.


not creating a monocrop
of opinions. and using rhetorical Roundup to wither those with which
we disagree.


Yours is one of the worst examples of that.



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