permaculture

[Graham <grahamburnett@blueyonder.co.uk>]

Hi sean- cheers for all the help! I have the pictures on my hard drive 
but not the little site I put together- Reconstructing the site will 
mean quite alot of changes as the unisonfree addresses on the site are 
now well out of date as are some other details- i'll also redeisn the 
pages to 'market' my PC for beginners Guide a bit more effectively (its 
not clear that the site is extracts from the book until the last page at 
the moment)

Cheers Graham www.spiralseed.co.uk

Sean Maley wrote:

> I have the pictures and have already offered them to
> Graham.  It sounds like the site can be easily
> recovered.  This is a good example of how working
> together can benefit us all.  Perhaps this would be a
> good time to review an offer for the web-site hosting
> cooperative.
>
> As it stands, many of us face the same options for
> starting a web site; $3 to $40 per year for the name
> and anywhere from advertising infested free to perhaps
> $20/mo for a high quality, ad free host.  For what
> most of the current sites accomplish, you shouldn't be
> paying any more than $25 to $75 per year when all is
> said and done.  This is for each domain, where some of
> us have several.
>
> Some of us have permanent high speed connections that
> we could be offering as a host for permaculture web
> sites, bringing costs for these sites to less than
> $10/year for those willing to risk more frequent down
> time (what if they loose a connection while on
> vacation?).  Somebody pays the $50/mo, but they would
> be doing that anyway, so it wouldn't be fair to pass
> along costs you would pay anyway.
>
> The next better option is having an existing business
> use one of their hosts for a site, as PIW does with
> ibiblio.  This is great if you can get it, but isn't
> going to be available to us all.  Even further is the
> loss of system administration privileges we would have
> with a private host.  I haven't found an ecovillage
> able to economically tap into the internet either.
>
> For the rest of us, we must either deal with the ads,
> deal with the host software provided, pay for a
> managed host ($50 to $150 per month), or open a shared
> office space with appropriate internet connectivity
> (at least $300/mo to do it right).  With the cost
> spread amongst several parties, say ten, these numbers
> become $5/mo to $30/mo per site, which is what many do
> anyway.
>
> Since first making a request for a permaculture
> hosting coop, I have found many opportunities to make
> these numbers even more favorable.  Here in NYC we
> have a few dozen CSA groups connected with a similar
> number of farms and businesses.  My CSA turned out to
> be paying $95/yr for their web site, or the equivalent
> of ten groups paying a total of $79+/mo for a simple
> site.  With many more sites than ten, these CSA groups
> could band together, much like we can, to save money.
>
> If we have several groups around the world, we can
> additionally archive our sites within a network of
> hosts.  When a host goes out of commission, it is a
> simple matter to point the domain to a working host
> within the network.  If a rogue government seizes
> equipment, as we have seen recently, the site/data are
> preserved all over the world.  Down time can be
> limited to mere hours, even with cable modem hosts and
> FBI agents.  It is also a reasonably simple task to
> automate switching the sites over to the functioning
> hosts when these outages are detected.
>
> Who would like to participate in a cooperative network
> of permaculture sites?  I propose one or more of our
> 501c3 (and the non-USA equivalents) permaculture
> organizations establish a trust at the PCU (or
> equivalent foreign bank) for managed servers.  If
> there is an ecovillage available with proper internet
> connectivity, then even better, because a data center
> would be great to heat a commercial composting
> facility.  Remember, all I am proposing is that we
> take money we are already spending and pool it
> together for a more wise investment supporting each
> other.
>
>
> -Sean.
>
> --- Jean Luc Girard <jeanlucgirard@online.fr> wrote:
>  
>
> > Dan Moore wrote:
> >
> >    
> >
> > > http://www.archive.org/
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> > >
> > >      
> > Yes I tried this and some other, and managed to
> > recover most of all pages.
> > Only a couple of pictures are missing (maybe the
> > biggest ?)
> > I sent all to Graham !
> >
> > JLuc
> >
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