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["RIA SWIFT" <riaswift@msn.com>]

Dear George,  You really misinterpreted what I was saying.  Think fractal geometry and self-organizing beings like some of the extremely indigenous tribes.  Don't believe people are like me or that people are neurotic.  Just believe that we are capable of taking care of ourselves, together; collectively.  I wash the dishes and you dry, someone else chops the wood and someone else plants the garden and perhaps we all help clean the basement.  But we are smart enough to put our heads together and do what is best for US.  I don't think we need leaders to teach us how to get along.  That is built in.  We are self-organizing beings and together with all of our strengths and weaknesses we make it work on a very small, intimate level.  The bigger world is just a lot of small intimate levels.  I think you missed a lot of whatI was saying.  Again, I am not sure of your interpretation of my message. 

What I was saying was very positive, hopeful and supportive of all humans on the planet.  Ria

 

>From: "georg parlow"

>Reply-To: permaculture

>To: "permaculture"

>Subject: leadership (was:Re: [permaculture] Bucky Fuller,interesting Usenet newsgroups

>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:36:31 +0200

>

> >I lead me and you lead you and together it becomes easier to go

>forward....in a line.

>

>sounds lovely, ria, and is propably true for you and the very person you are

>talking to - but it is an illusion to believe that everyone is (potentially)

>like you are. not everyone who falls short of the true and responsible

>humanist is a neurotic. there are people who are physically strong and

>insensitive to their own bodies and there are delicate weaklings like

>myself. there are those who naturally think systems, and others who can

>study it for decades and still do not get it. there are those who have a

>natural understanding for the past and future development, and those who

>can't make these connections. there are those who can naturally act

>responsible towards their own family but thats it, those who can do this

>towards their village, those who can do this towards their watershed, and

>very very few who actually and in their daily actions can fully adjust their

>personal need-fulfilling to the needs of all the rest of this planets

>population. can you? i cannot, i am still working on it. people are

>different.

>

>even back in old tribal days of veeery low population density, lots of love

>and caring and no neurotic anything, you have natural leadership through the

>elders, simply because they are more mature. and they are counselled by the

>shamans, simply because they grasp subtle connections better. dont you do

>leadership for your children? you might say "yea, but they are children."

>ok, so when does this stop? when they turn 18, bang, all of a sudden they

>are fully capable and responsible? some take longer to mature and some are

>faster, and this is not only education, but nature as well. some are bright

>and some are less so, some have big hearts and some less so, some easily

>notice the consequences of their actions, and some less so.

>

>highly sensitive people do not have a good relationship with power and

>leadership. but we are only 15% of the population. the rest feels really

>good about leading or being led - they only loath incompetent or partial

>leadership. we humans are herd animals, and this is not going to change

>within the next few 99 generations.

>

>i think, furthering the development of competent and caring leaders is a

>good thing.

>

>georg

>

>

>

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