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[permaculture] RE: [permaculture-oceania] Accredited Permaculture Training (APT)
- From: "permaculture.biz" <darren@permaculture.biz>
- To: "'Miltech'" <miltech@bigpond.com>, <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, "permaculture-oceania" <permaculture-oceania@lists.cat.org.au>
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- Subject: [permaculture] RE: [permaculture-oceania] Accredited Permaculture Training (APT)
- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:03:36 +1000
Hi Janet, Your response was like gypsum to the
turbid mind – it gathered all the floccules. One negative about all of this all of the new
(and constant obsolescence of) acronyms we’ll have to cram ourselves
with. My spin is that it appears that this whole
process, together with David Holmgren’s new and
very important work, signifies a shift to maturity for our movement and its
(inevitable if to survive) move into the mainstream. The only danger is with
rampant ego’s and stupid and unnecessary
politics. Cooperation not Competition is the key. Maintaining a transparent
process I agree is the only way to go. What we have to sell in Permaculture is
extremely potent and promises much for those who grasp it. The more people we
can get the message to (who want to hear it) the better. Forums such as these
present an excellent platform to keep many of us (at least those connected) informed
in very democratic and free debate and discussion. The next question that comes to mind
revolve around Institutionalisation of Permaculture
professionals – such as with other professionals – I know that over
some time this issue has been raised – however with all of this
mainstreaming of some part of Permaculture education system I would anticipate better
conditions for the development of such bodies. I’d be keen to hear people’s
thought’s on this issue. Thanks again Janet. Its raining inches gently down here –
we need about 3 weeks of it…… Cheers, Yours and Growing, Darren J. Doherty Applied
Diploma of Permaculture Design, (Education, Site Design, System Establishment
& Implementation) Permaculture Institute (1995) Permaculture
Design Certificate, Permaculture Institute (1993, 1995, 2001) Whole
Farm Planning Certificate (Train the Trainer), permaculture
designer @ permaculture.biz a. 103 Casey St, East Bendigo, Victoria,
Australia, 3550 p. 613 5444 1068 f. 613 5444 0621 -----Original Message----- Sounds
great Darren. There will be introductions to the new APT in all
regions. They are going to be named COWs (course outline/overview
workshops )and we will have smaller ones and yes you guessed it they are
CALFs. No risk that there will not be information, the only risk is that
one system or the other will act in an “exclusive” way. I
will continue to make it all inclusive but also to rigorously insure that the
quality of ATP is maintained at a high performance and ethical level and this
may appear exclusive at times but without the qualifications and proven
outcomes…. forget teaching APT. If you
have a Cert IV in Workplace Teaching and Assessment that’s great, if not
best to get one ASAP or wait till we can get Pc specific ones up and
running…I don’t see a good reason to wait really. Then the
next thing is to RPL to Cert IV in APT. Assessors will do that free for
first 6 months with only charge to the RTO for Admin (quite a significant fee I
may add to folk who trade in potatoes and eggs.) But we can’t
afford to work for more than 18 months for free to see this thing happen. I have
had calls about I did the PDC…I did this…I did that…now you
want me to pay for…. No I
don’t. Those who do not see the value should remain with the
original and well-functioning system. Those who realize the further
opportunities and those who saw the threat of Pc being taken over by
establishment rather than our own representative body can support us. -----Original Message----- Hi
Janet, Thanks
for the reply – as I expected you answered all the questions – you
are indeed a great teacher!! We had Lisa
and Bill Mollison stay over here in I expect
that there will be those (such as you and I) who will have feet in both camps
– especially those (such as myself) who have faith in the PDC (registered
with PI or not) and the PIL approved courses. As a side
note it was good to see both Lisa and Bill in good health, brimming with ideas
and a passion for each other and the future. Bill’s still as naughty as
ever………Lisa Heenan (my wife) and Bill made a heap of Kim Chee – Lisa swearing never to take Bill shopping
again!! We also took them on a tour of the local We’re
still enjoying the Kim Chee!! Cheers, Yours and
Growing, Darren J.
Doherty Applied Diploma of Permaculture Design,
(Education, Site Design, System Establishment & Implementation)
Permaculture Institute (1995) Permaculture
Design Certificate, Permaculture Institute (1993, 1995, 2001) Whole
Farm Planning Certificate (Train the Trainer), permaculture designer
@ permaculture.biz a. p. 613 5444 1068 f. 613 5444 0621 -----Original Message----- Hi
Darren, This is
my response to your question on the Janet -----Original Message-----
Janet Millington miltech@bigpond.com Eumundi
Crayfish Farm Permaculture Noosa (Pres) |
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