permaculture

["Gaden@ziplip.com" <Gaden@ziplip.com>]

Re: Kirby Fry's - "Folks in progressive movements are shy of (also read as, 
"loathe") hierarchies because they have been so abused by leaders and 
beauracracy, but no matter how we squirm or shy away hierarchies exist and 
are a part of the natural order, so just like in the ecological landscape 
where we pride ourselves on mirroring
natural systems so too in our social dealings do we need to mirror natural 
arrangements."

Crikeys Kirby. Can you really read all that without taking a breath?!?  Your 
grammar checker must love you. (Mine keeps abusing me because I use too much 
'passive voice'. Never taken the time to figure out what the hell it's 
talkin' about. Bossy bloody computers :-)

Interesting that you say this. On John Shinnerer's recommendation, I'm half 
way through reading Ursula K. Le Guin's book, The Dispossessed. It features 
two different communities (planets) which are struggling with exactly this 
issue of hierarchies, society with or without them. Not sure how it turns 
out, but so far it's raised some interesting ideas.

"To create crime, create laws. You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You 
can only crush them by ignoring them. By refusing to think, refusing to 
change. In other words, he has power over you. Where does he get it from? Not 
from vested authority, there isn't any. He gets it from the innate cowardice 
of the average human mind. Public opinion! That's the power structure he's 
part of."

Apropos of nothing, it's just where I'm up to in the book.  :-)

Gaiden