permaculture

["D.A. Riley" <permascape@yahoo.com>]

Jamie, Darren, Mark and others,

I refer to you by name, though we've never met. I've
simply read your postings and opinions therein. I'd
like to believe I am objective about the notions of
how Permaculture is going to get into the public mind,
and by whom the concepts will be communicated.

It seems the use of a design science, and it's
elements, can vary widely according to the environment
in which it is proposed for use;  the people, for whom
the design is specific, will appreciate differing
methods on how to create an efficient use of their
land/resources/social structure/invisible structure...

We each have circumstances where our views work best
for us, as individuals within a larger group= our
peers and community. How can one really determine
which is the best way to get the PC message accross to
all these differing groups with fluctuating views.

I have traveled about and am witness to many different
ways in which permaculture touches people and the
land. There is no one way; no one type of delivery
method for a temperate inner-city verses a
sub-tropical rainforest.  

Taking a PDC course, reading the material, gaining
some experience, teaching and translating the best way
to offer it up...this is up to me, you and every one
of us. 

I like to see the varied responses and ideas about
permaculture. I feel like pushing my personal comfort
zone to communicate with all perceived stereotypes
while putting any bias' behind me... I see the
permaculturist in each and every person!! 

DA  (woodchopper/water-toter)

> Message: 2
> From: "darren simo" <wannafarm@hotmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [permaculture] Loose ends, second
> thoughts
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:06:11 +0000
> Reply-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> 
> 
> Jamie,
> There are far more levels within Permaculture than
> these two extremes. But I 
> tend to think that if Permaculture is going to get a
> real ground swell out 
> in the general community, that Mark's (and my own)
> points of view are much 
> more exceptable than commandments that thou must do
> things this way.
> Mankind is pretty much a selfish creature and many
> will look at the “what’s 
> in it for me” point view first and foremost. Try to
> take away their comforts 
> & money, all you will get is a negative result.
> Better by far to offer 
> alternatives and positives and slowly bring people
> around to a cleaner, 
> greener point of view. Let them see how things can
> be done just as well, if 
> not better with an organic approach.
> Just my 2 cents worth
> Regards
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "jamie" <jamie@tiscali.fr>
> >Reply-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: RE: [permaculture] Loose ends, second
> thoughts
> >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:43:02 +0100
> >
> >Über Hippy! I recognise the reductionism implicit
> in much modern thought,
> >but have the choices of a permaculturalist really
> been reduced to being 
> >Mark
> >Ludwig or an Über Hippy?
> >
> >Jamie
> >Souscayrous


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