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[Claude Genest <genest@together.net>]

> > > I agree with MArk that "being one with zone 5" is "not at all necessarily to develop good designs.......But it'd likely help a good deal.
And I strongly agree that there's nothing flaky and new age about sitting quietly observing natural systems and patterns....
Mind you, I have come to reject the phrase "common sense"...I figure things were common sense, they'd be a common sight !


On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:06 PM, Graham Burnett wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark" <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>
> To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] For the survival thread...
>
>
> > At 02:14 PM 10/31/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > > The awareness training is so useful in that it develops one's ability to
> > > understand the landscape, observing and knowing what is there and what
> the
> > > land wants to be.  So much of this is brushed over in the Permaculture
> > > design courses, or misinterpreted as an analytical exercise.  To me,
> > > earthskills and caretaking in particular are what you do in zone 5.
> > > Mollison says not to do anything there except learn; well, if you are one
> > > with zone 5 then there's pleanty you can do there.  The great
> observations
> > > and illuminations come from zone 5; it is there that you can learn to be
> at
> > > home.
> >
> > At the risk of offending, this kind of quasi mystical stuff not only does
> > very little to inspire me, if I was one of the many deeply religious
> people
> > I have met through the years at organic farming functions I would likely
> > find it out right offensive.  IF this really is a system for everyone I
> > would strongly suggest separating the new age gloss form the main body of
> > the design system, it is not at all necessarily to develop good designs.
>
> Just dipped into this thread, so maybe this is out of context, but I can
> only go by what was quoted...
>
> I agree with Mark that new age flakiness should be viewed with skepticism-
> however I never saw the zone 5 stuff (eg, observing the patterns & processes
> of unintefered with natural systems & wilderness, and from that learning
> deep and profound respect for nature) as being quasi-mystical or new age
> flakiness, just common sense!
>
> Cheers Graham
> www.landandliberty.co.uk
>
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