permaculture

[Mark Ludwig <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>]

> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:32:31 -0600
> From: Clay & Sue McQuiddy <mcquiddy@getgoin.net>
> Subject: Re: [grazersedge] Best varieties for Grazing
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> Over the past 3 years we have planted 120 lbs of Red River Crabgrass.   The
> first 60 lbs we planted along with BMR  Sudangrass in 2000.   We were in a
> drought that year,  so much so that I had my doubts that the crabgrass had
> reseeded.   But it had.   The next  year it came on so well that it mostly
> choked out the BMR.   We drilled Cereal Rye into the Crabgrass in early Sept
> but it didn't take.   At the time I thought the Crabgrass was crowding it
> out (it was very thick)  but after the same thing happened again this year I
> have learned it was grubs.   So we broadcast Marshall Ryegrass into the
> Crabgrass residue in October.   It took and we grazed it all spring and into
> June.   We then pulled off and let the Marshall go to seed and die.   By Aug
> 1 we had a grazable stand of Crabgrass.    And now that it has turned cool,
> I am seeing a pretty good stand of Marshall coming in.    So I think that we
> may have a rotation of two reseeding annuals going.   Maybe.
>     The other place we have used Crabgrass is on the places where we feed
> hay.    The pugging from the cattle tears up the Crabgrass residue and adds
> fertility to the next years crop.  I think this is one of the best uses for
> Crabgrass.
>     Crabgrass starts sprouting here about May 1,  and after every rain
> thereafter.   I have some seedlings out there now that are not going to last
> past Wedensday (1st hard freeze) .   The seedlings are not very competitive
> and will only come on in bare spots,  but once the seed bank is filled,  it
> is there for every bare spot that appears.
>     For more info,  Dr Dalrymple has a web site,
> http://crabgrass.hypermart.net/
>
> They have about 25 years of research papers that they will share.
>
> Clay
>
> MO Ozarks
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> From: "Mark Ludwig" <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>
> To: <grazersedge@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [grazersedge] Best varieties for Grazing
>
>
> > At 09:32 AM 10/27/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >The warm season (C4 pathway) plants we tend to shy away from here as we
> are
> > >so far north. And the quality is lower than the cool season (C3) plants.
> So
> > >we dont grow crab grass (C4) except you will see it along side sidewalks
> > >late in a hot summer:)
> >
> > Nice post Rick, I really like the Alice clover also, though it was a
> little
> > to aggressive for my living mulch garden ;<)
> >
> > As for crab grass, it looks better to me all the time.  I think many farms
> > can coax it along in the droughty if thin spot on their farms and get some
> > thing out of them.  I see it here on out deep silt loam in Columbia Co.
> > poking through the Alice clover and in the lawn, and it does seem to
> > thicken things up in the hot summer months.  I think the seed bank might
> > also rescue you by germinating after or during a drought and hanging on
> > better.  I'd be curious how people have done with the Red River or other
> > improved variety.
> > Mark
> >
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