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- From: Mark <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>
- To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests
- Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:37:14 -0500
my two cents back...
With all due respect...why then do some of the worst fires I've read
about seem to be "controlled" burns that got out of control? The big
New Mexico fire of a year or two back comes to mind...
I'm talking about grass fires here. These run out of fuel very rapidly which makes their control fairly simple if you know what you're doing. Burning overloaded woodlands is a whole different matter. How they are going to sort out the western forest lands that have become overgrown is far beyond my expertise. It may be that much of it needs to be logged pretty soundly to thin it out, low grade it if you will, to get the junk out. This overgrowth is of course the result of bad logging and more significantly fire suppression for 100 years.
I'd be willing to bet that each of you has good points and
methodologies that will work under some circumstances. The danger, as
always, lies in assuming that what works in situation A will work
everywhere, or that what appears to work in the first few months or
years after an event is right for the system in the longer term. So
maybe you're both right? :)
10,000 years of native American management with fire? Works for me.
There are definitely ecologies that are structured around occasional
fires. We have a number of those in California, and the debate still
rages as to whether manmade burns and/or premature suppression of
wildfires help or hurt the overall ecology.
The chaperal areas are tricky devils too. Very flammable vegetation, steep slopes with gravity winds and gol dang houses right in the middle of it. One word friends: GOATS!
Build soil,
Loren
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University of Wisconsin -Madison
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/04/2002
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RE: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Carla McAuley, 07/05/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests, Mark, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Mark, 07/05/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs.Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Loren Davidson, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Heide Hermary, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/09/2002
- RE: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Carla McAuley, 07/09/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/09/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Bob Howard, 07/10/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Kirby Fry, 07/10/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/10/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Mark, 07/15/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Bob Howard, 07/10/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Loren Davidson, 07/08/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs.Forests, Toby Hemenway, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs.Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
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RE: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Carla McAuley, 07/05/2002
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