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Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests
- From: Mark <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests
- Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:09:11 -0500
This was very interesting, I'll only comment on these bits...
I believe the trees and woodlands were kept in check by the bison more than fire.
Doubtful. If the northern plains are any indication the natives relied on fire to keep woody plants down and attract grazing animals. A hot fire will totally top kill woody plants while grazers do very limited pruning by comparison. Conversely many woody plants regenerate by seed germination very aggressively after fire. One oak woods we burned years ago came up thick in new oak trees the falling spring. very striking.
Improper grazing, burning and mechanically clearing juniper and mesquite are probably what are provoking them out of their original habitats - which were considerable.
Disturbance = germination. That I can see.
I would also conjecture that humus rich soils, several feet deep broke down plant litter rapidly and that even when lightning struck, fires were much harder to get going than today because the land is now so much more brittle and tender than it was 500 years ago.Keep in mind that there were hardly any earth worms in NA at the time of European settlement. The duff layer may have had more staying power rather than less. My experience is that areas that do not get burned frequently have very hot fires when they do burn as the years of accumulated fuel are there to support strong fires. Grazing animals could limit this considerably of course.
It may be that there were vast treeless expanses in the Great Central Plains or Prairies but I believe that such treeless-ness ends at the line between the Texas High Plains and Rolling Plains. One of Texas largest contiguous forests is reported to have been in the Rolling Plains. Even supposed desert bioregions such as the Trans Pecos are famous for dwarf oak forests.
Kirby Fry
I suspect it was much like the rest of the central plains, mostly in grass with localized climates like the gulf coast or riparian areas providing the moisture needed for trees. Around here you can read the soil type at 120kph by looking at the vegetation.
Mark P. Ludwig
Poultry Research Lab
University of Wisconsin -Madison
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/04/2002
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RE: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Carla McAuley, 07/05/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests, Mark, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Mark, 07/05/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs.Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Loren Davidson, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Heide Hermary, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/09/2002
- RE: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Carla McAuley, 07/09/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/09/2002
- Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests, Bob Howard, 07/10/2002
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Re: [permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Loren Davidson, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Prairies and Forests,
Mark, 07/08/2002
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[permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs.Forests,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2002
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RE: [permaculture] Ecosystem Diversity & Bio-mass: Prairies vs. Forests,
Carla McAuley, 07/05/2002
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