permaculture

[FranksFarm@aol.com]

Good day:)

    So far I've stayed out of this interesting debate for fear that I had 
little to offer:)

However...all this verbiage serves only to reinforce my belief that we need 
to have successful models, incredible details on What does work where, and 
why.

I can talk the talk...but when it comes to implementing many of the practices 
PC embraces on a farm in the real world with cost, labor, time and materials 
to be considered there's a real dearth of information IMHO.

Seems to me if PC is to continue to grow we need to empower people and not 
worry about teaching certificates/design courses. We need to have the tools 
to do the job well. PC to me requires incredible detailed knowledge that is 
often difficult to assimilate and use on your place.

The example given by people who have designed such places is great. But the 
details of how these places were carved out is again omitted. Do these folks 
have web sites where one can study, and review their methods? 

I really believe that many folks are empathetic, and inclined to go with PC 
but are rebuffed by lack of detail, and mystification of the subject.

Further I tend to agree that we need to have numerical, quantifiable proof of 
success. Even if it means we need to consider other factors to present an 
holistic view of such numbers.

Please forgive the gross oversimplification. Frank