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- From: Toby Hemenway <hemenway@jeffnet.org>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: cultural myths and misery
- Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:14:46 -0800
on 12/9/01 1:38 PM, souscayrous at souscayrous@wanadoo.fr wrote:
> the only way your
> comments make sense is if 'scientists' are regular guys and gals and
> 'administrators, reviewers, editors, marketers, and
> business executives' are the scum of the earth.
Yes, I did paint a rather rosy picture of scientists, didn't I? They are
human. But I suspect that scientists are drawn to their work because they
have a passion for accuracy (or truth, or facts, or whatever it should be
called). Scientists are usually motivated by a desire to explain phenomena,
and this requires a willingness to accept negative results and expose flaws
in their work. That's how you get a reputation as a good scientist. People
in the other professions I listed are often rewarded only for positive
results, and are penalized for the revelation of mistakes, negative effects,
or information that would reduce sales or organizational influence. This was
a fundamental conflict between the science and marketing staffs where I
worked. A scientist who suppressed reports of side effects would be reviled;
the marketers and executives who worked hard to do that were doing a good
job.
I have no data to prove that scientists, in general, are more committed to
"truth" than others, though it's not unreasonable to believe that a passion
for science may select for this. But I think that science, as a profession,
lends itself to truthfulness more than marketing or other jobs dedicated to
increasing the size and power of an organization.
Toby
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RE: cultural myths and misery
, (continued)
- RE: cultural myths and misery, S.K. Harrison, 12/08/2001
- RE: cultural myths and misery, souscayrous, 12/08/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, John Schinnerer, 12/08/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, Rex Teague, 12/08/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, John Schinnerer, 12/08/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, John Schinnerer, 12/08/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, georg parlow, 12/09/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, Brent Ladd, 12/09/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, Toby Hemenway, 12/09/2001
- RE: cultural myths and misery, souscayrous, 12/09/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, Toby Hemenway, 12/09/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, John Schinnerer, 12/10/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, John Schinnerer, 12/10/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, Brent Ladd, 12/10/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, Steve Bonney, 12/10/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, S.K. Harrison, 12/10/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, georg parlow, 12/10/2001
- RE: cultural myths and misery, souscayrous, 12/10/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, John Schinnerer, 12/11/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, S.K. Harrison, 12/11/2001
- Re: cultural myths and misery, S.K. Harrison, 12/11/2001
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