permaculture

["sal" <sals@rain.org>]

how do u make apple juice do u have to take the seeds out before u press
them?  if you press them with the seed will they show GMO on the test?
check out an organic farmers homepage
http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html
sals@rain.,org
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Abdon" <jabdon@hotmail.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: BC organic fruit victory


> A good primer on the microbiotic viewpoint on this critically urgent
> discussion focused on the genetic landscape. I will be somewhat eased the
> next time I'm eating the flesh of the fruit. But what about the portion I
> reject? Due diligence requires a complete examination of the macrobiotic
> issues surrounding the mineral/plant/animal communities that are
interlocked
> in this evolutionary dance.
>
> Which community members uptake the genetic material contained in the
seeds?
> One need go no farther than the nearest unfenced orchard on the harvest
moon
> to gain a sense of the complexity required to answer that question
properly.
> Especially true for the orchard to which I have access. Being in the San
> Juan Islands, this genetic web includes sea otters, salmon, salamanders,
red
> deer, a bogling array of fungus, ancient juniper, douglas fir, official
> Audabon bird counts consistently above 150, and it goes on and on and
on...
>
> It is this myriad of nonlinear genetic pathways which is a great concern
to
> the people of the earth. The thought of the transference of newly
engineered
> genetic information in unknown ways through unknown species is the driving
> force of the current worldwide concern being expressed so well in
> discussions such as this.
>
> So, I won't eat the apple seeds any more (I promise)... but what should I
do
> with them instead? Burn them?
>
> From: "H. Allen Sylvester" <asylvest@eatel.net>
> Reply-To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Subject: Re: Fw: BC organic fruit victory
> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:47:17 -0500
>
> Dear PC listers,
>      Having grown up on an apple orchard in the Okanogan valley (USA-side
> spelling!) Washington a few miles south of where the Similkameen enters
> the Okanogan River, I think a few comments are in order.  I received a
> B.S. in Botany from U. WA. and a Ph. D. in Genetics (Plant Breeding)
> from UC Davis (classical genetics, before genetic engineering).  Plus, I
> have worked with honey bees and subscribed to Organic Gardening (&
> Farming) for 30 some years.
>      Comparing apples and canola is much worse than comparing apples and
> oranges.  The fruit of apples, etc.  comes strictly from the female
> parent tree.  The seeds carry genetic material from whatever pollen
> fertilized the bloom, but this does not affect the fruit, other than to
> stimulate it to develop, unless they have changed the rules of plant
> morphology and development.  Since no one in my family eats apple seeds,
> we would be totally unaffected by eating an organic apple containing
> seeds fertilized by genetically modified pollen.  Therefore, removing
> organic certification from organic orchards near genetically modified
> trees is totally uncalled for.
>      In contrast, the fertilized canola seed, which could be expressing
> GMO characteristics, is the part that is processed to yield canola oil.
> Therefore, those who object to GMOs do have a valid objection in that
> case.
>
> Allen
> H. Allen Sylvester
>
>
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