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  • From: Thilo Pfennig <vinci@alternativ.net>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
  • Subject: Re: Let's continue a global directory on-line...
  • Date: 29 Jul 1999 23:26:51 +0200

Scott Pittman <pci@permaculture-inst.org> writes:


> I have to go along with Dan on this one. I have personally been involved
> with many of the founders, editors, writers, and volunteers of IPJ and found
> all of them to be extremely devoted to producing a good magazine in an
> ethical manner.

Sorry, but I don´t know what the ethical manner of the people of IPJ
has to do with this subject? Are you saying that people like Lawrence
are unethical and that he is trying to do a bad work? Or are you
talking about me?

> I find it extremely distastful that they have not been consulted or
> invited into this brouhaha.

Why? Isn´t this list open to everyone? Are you saying that the IPJ,
who themselves claim to do a good work in bringing out addresses of
permaculture are not using the most important permaculture
mailinglist? How are they able to do their job without that? I´d say
they cannot. I realized: they have email, they HAD a website. And I am
shure they *knew* about the lists.


> Lots of luck in trying to do it on your own, as far as I know only the IPJ
> and the International Permaculture Institute have maintained and encouraged
> continuing international contacts and without those you would have a very
> pallid list indeed.

Without that... I think it is clearly a result of the international
contacts. Why encourage contacts and than, when they seeds are
growing, say that they should NOT grow?

Why shouldn´t they? Is this like a mission of the catholic church:
Spread my message, but give credit to the pope? God is great, but
nothing without your pastor?

If the worldwide permaculture community has come to the point where it
does not need the service and encouragement of the years before, I
think this should be more a reason of celebration than of blaming the
results. If that movement is wrong, the whole idea of interconnecting
permaculturist must have been wrong.

On the other hand it just looks like we have an information-monopole here?

> We are talking about bother and sister in the struggle for a liveable and
> just planet here, they are us!

What do you mean?


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Thilo Pfennig
<http://Alternativ.Net/>

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