Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion of Walker Percy

["Tommy Armstrong" <tfa AT brickengraver.com>]

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"And yet apparently there was no emergency plan and no resources to evacuate "the carless, the homeless, the aged and infirm." "

And why the hell not--why did New Orleans City gov't in coordination with Louisiana and then in coordination with the Feds not have a  plan and resources. Every town and city in the US as had to come up with a vulnerability study and had to create an emergency response plan--at least all water plants did. It is truthfully absolutely atrocious that at least an evacuation plan was not in effect--and I still stand by my contention that such planning is ultimately the responsibility of the Town and State. Buses should have been lined up far in advance of the storm--bottled water supplies should have been warehoused as should have been food. And there was lead time for this storm. I agree that this is a Big One, and that is all the more reason that the City and State should have been preparing for such an eventuality for years and years.

Here in North Carolina, we have been through many hurricanes ourselves, and after each there is a reassessment of what went right, and what went wrong. There is a command and control center to coordinate all the multitudinous things that have to be coordinated. I will hold judgment until later, as I think others should do, to understand the causes of the massive failings of this operation. But, for many in the world, including Pitas, who do not understand the governmental structure of the United States and the role of the Federal Government--let them understand that the individual cities, then the individual states are the first responders. It is not the job of the Federal Government to have emergency management plans for every potential disaster in every location in the country.

I think there is plenty of blame to be doled out--but the idea of the Mayor of New Orleans saying he is pissed at FEMA is a bit absurd. He should be pissed at his  own people, and at himself, to allow such a thing to get so completely out of control.

Save lives first, then property, if possible.

 It would obviously costs billions and billions to harden NO against such an occurrence, and maybe the funds were not there, etc. BUT KNOWING THAT--the fallback plan of not having the proper infrastructure should have been the safety of the people--especially for those that did not possess the means themselves. There are not but about 5 main functions of municipal government--to provide water, wastewater, public safety, orderly growth, and fire protection. NO failed miserably in planning for these things. And yes, I do understand the enormity of the task, so when one cannot provide those functions due to disaster, then one needs to make sure that the citizens are evacuated to a place where they can be provided.

 

Tommy Armstrong

PO Box 484

Lillington, NC   27546

http://www.brickengraver.com

 

"Science is extraordinarily stupid about people as people and the consequence of this stupidity is going to do us all in if we don't do something about it"

 Walker Percy

 

 

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From: percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Karey
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:08 PM
To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion
Subject: Re: [percy-l] hurricanes

Tommy,

 

I think you are underestimating the enormity of this crisis.  No one city government could handle a crisis that has been compared to: the "Big One" hitting California, or a major terrorist attack (greater than 9/11) hitting New York City (see article below) - years before it happened.  There were a variety of things that needed to be done - before and after - at the city, state, and federal level - that weren't done, for whatever reason. The solution to preventing or lessening the impact of this had to come from all levels.  At this point, after the fact, NO can't do anything more than what it is doing, and some say Mayor Nagin's impassioned plea was strategically planned to get the feds in action when they were dragging their feet and making the tragedy even worse.  Whether it was or not, whatever planning NO or any other city might have been able to do for this, they would have needed more help - sooner - than what was provided. 

 

KP

 

 

 

Poor, sick, aged left in the lurch
No plan ever made to help New Orleans' most vulnerable
Leonard Witt - For the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thursday, September 1, 2005

Leonard Witt is the Robert D. Fowler Distinguished Chair in Communication at Kennesaw State University.

Each time you hear a federal, state or city official explain what he or she is doing to help New Orleans, consider the opening paragraphs of a July 24 story in the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

"City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."

The story continues:

"In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation."

The officials made those statements fully knowing that those 134,000 people were very likely to end up in dire circumstances or even die.

Here is what National Geographic magazine wrote in an article published in October 2004 about a possible hurricane scenario for New Orleans:

"The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great."

In that article National Geographic predicted with eerie accuracy that more than a million people would evacuate, but some 200,000 would remain, including "the carless, the homeless, the aged and infirm."

The New Orleans Times-Picayune ran its own series in 2002 in which it wrote:

"If enough water from Lake Pontchartrain topped the levee system along its south shore, the result would be apocalyptic. Whoever remained in the city would be at grave risk. According to the American Red Cross, a likely death toll would be between 25,000 and 100,000 people, dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and all but the most nightmarish potential terrorist attacks. Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals."

And yet apparently there was no emergency plan and no resources to evacuate "the carless, the homeless, the aged and infirm."

In this era when we are a nation at risk of terrorism and natural disasters, we can only hope that what is happening in New Orleans is not built into the fabric of our national homeland security policy. We should provide security for everyone, including the poor, aged and infirm.

We have the resources. On Wednesday, it seems FEMA found 475 buses to help with the belated evacuation effort. Unfortunately, when it comes to looking after the carless, homeless, the aged and infirm in our country, we --- in our quest to become an ownership society --- seemed to have allowed our good senses, good will and compassion to go on vacation.

 

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From: Tommy Armstrong

To: 'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion'

Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:34 AM

Subject: Re: [percy-l] hurricanes

I am at a bit of a loss about all the ranting and raving about the Federal Government's response to this huge disaster. As a member of local government and the super of the water treatment plant and the wastewater treatment plant (albeit in a very small town), I am at a loss as to where the City of New Orleans' emergency response plan was?  Even we have plans in place and on the shelf to put into action in response the the eventuality --and that word means what it says--eventually it WILL happen--of a hurricane or other natural disaster. To hear the mayor of New Orleans say he is pissed at the Fed. Governments response, if I was a citizen of NO, I would be pissed at the City's lack of adequate planning and pissed at him, the commissioners, and the whole damned City government . It is first and foremost the responsibility of the local officials. They above all others should be the "First Responders." They know their city, their vulnerabilities, their citizens.  The city and state of Louisiana should bear the brunt of the the criticism in my opinion. Where was the back up water supply located (bottled water,etc)--where were the backup food supplies located, where was the means and organizational structure to distribute them, etc. etc. What should the procedures be to get the people out of harm's way in event of a disaster--after all this is over--someone should study the failures of not the Fed Governments response, but the response of the City of New Orleans. There was no evacuation plan not because the Federal Government did not have one, but because the City of New Orleans did not have one, or if it did, did not competently put it into action. And after the town is evacuated, who should provide security. Should not the mayor of NO have immediately had his request for the National Guard to come ready to sign or already signed?

 

The order of business in such circumstances as disaster planning seems to be for local governments " Its just too costly and complicated for us to do and the Feds will come in anyway". Now I am in perfect agreement that the Feds should provide relief--and the bulk of the aftermath rebuilding, but in their main role is as support troops to implement already in place strategies that the local governments have in place.  

 

If it had happened on Martha's Vineyard, I dare say that the FED govt. would not even have to have been involved, as the officials there are probably competent. And that has really nothing to do with race or economic factors. 

 

The Quote:

"yes your all correct. did you know that our federal government, has strict guidelines on how it must respond to the sufferings of african-american people. the lack of help, was actually due to a specific wait time, we must follow, whenever there is a crisis involving poor black persons such as just happened. our governing officials actually sit and watch and chuckle at their suffering. then at the last moment, decide to send in help. oh wait, actually, they knew what was going to happen, and could have prevented it. "

Is completely without basis--not everything that goes wrong in the world can be distilled down to "racial bigotry". The severity of the disaster in New Orleans had nothing to do with racial bigotry. It had to do with an incredibly destructive "Act Of God" and a lot of incompetent (and in many many instances, competent) planning and/or incompetent execution of those plans. No matter how well any plan was conceived and executed, there would have been great amounts of damage--but I do find some fault in the City of New Orleans for not adequately preparing for the safety of its citizens.

 

Tommy Armstrong

PO Box 484

Lillington, NC   27546

http://www.brickengraver.com

 

...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true.

 

Walker Percy

Signposts in a Strange Land

 

 

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From: percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Robert_Pauley AT oxy.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:17 PM
To: percy-l AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [percy-l] hurricanes

Agreed, Mr. Mitchell. And while we are human and fallible, some of us also are exceptionally corrupt and incompetent, as, for example, the entire political infrastructure of New Orleans, which knew about its weak sea walls for years and did nothing, and which tolerated also for years a violent and increasingly brazen criminal element (a violent crime rate 10 times the national average). New Orleans cannot manage itself on a good day, and so if one wants to know why it could not coordinate a swift and effective response on a sequence of very bad ones, one may of course look for blame to the distance as it one's predictable political cant, but it would make more sense to look no further than an inept, third-world city hall.

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From: percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of KMitch2626 AT aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:56 PM
To: percy-l AT lists.ibiblio.org
Cc: peirce-l AT lyris.ttu.edu
Subject: [percy-l] hurricanes

well since both list are talking about it, and since both share common readers... why not chime in a piss people off.

yes your all correct. did you know that our federal government, has strict guidlines on how it must respond to the suffereings of african-american people. the lack of help, was actually due to a specific wait time, we must follow, whenever there is a crisis involving poor black persons such as just happened. our governing officials actually sit and watch and chuckle at their suffering. then at the last moment, decide to send in help. oh wait, actually, they knew what was going to happen, and could have prevented it.
we are human and fallible, and im certain mistakes were made and will be. but if you think this is race driven... call me cold, kick me off your listserves, but your full of shit!

my rant amidst a time of great sadness for those hit by a hurricane,
ken mitchell

quotes:

"It's the first week of school and I am utterly haunted by the horrors 
of the Gulf Coast area (Why is help taking so long? Why isn't the 
media asking the class or race questions?) I know these are not 
direct Percy points, but I think there are parallels. Your point 
about mimetic desire would be a lovely thread at which to pull. 
Surely this applies to Tom More and the man on the train (pre-crash) 
and even Will Barrett."

"IMHO the most significant anachy assoicated with the disaster in New Orleans is the US Federal government's woefully indifferent and criminally inadquate  response to the suffering of poor black americans.  As an american I'm ashamed of our religious and racial bigotry.  First Iraq and now this.  May god forgive us. "

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