Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion of Walker Percy

[dabeck AT iupui.edu]

> Is this making sense?
> P.

Probably more so than I am (I'm in an allergy medication fog). My point about 
the Browne lyrics was not that he was "fast asleep" but that he was dreaming 
of the "fight." Of course, the man on the train does awaken to a different 
self. My point is, we know that the rotation occurs in anticipation of the 
crisis, but I think it also occurs during the crisis. Afterwards, it is 
anybody's guess.
 Maybe I'm splitting philosophical hairs and need to focus on what's really 
going on. You wrote:

> Nonetheless, Karl's comment reaffirms the news high that many feel  
> watching CNN incessantly. But it is an inauthentic substitute for the  
> deeper response of the man on the train. Perhaps even a poor  
> substitute for feeling compassion for those affected by a disaster  
> like Katrina.

That's the bigger point. Perhaps it is a "high" for some, but it's hard to 
imagine very many people watching this disaster--knowing that it is happening 
to very poor areas that didn't have much to begin with--with the "interest" 
that Lance talks about regarding the plane crash. From what I hear, people 
are 
contributing in large amounts to help these people. And, while I fear 
bringing 
up the liberal/conservative topic, it is disasters like these that make 
people-
-regardless of political persuasion--forget about "sides" and come together 
and help. Maybe in that way, we can all awaken to a more "perceived self."
-David



Quoting Patrick Lynch <padraig AT well.com>:

> Gentle Folks:
> While this all seems to be a part of what Percy said, along with the  
> idea that we cannot originally experience the Grand Canyon if we have  
> been over-exposed to pictures of the tourist site, the concept of  
> rotation indicates more than a momentary stay against one's insidious  
> life. The man on the train is confronted with a re-visioning of who  
> he is. The "man asleep at the traffic light" remains asleep  
> afterwards. The man on the train awakens to a different, more  
> perceived self.
> 
> Nonetheless, Karl's comment reaffirms the news high that many feel  
> watching CNN incessantly. But it is an inauthentic substitute for the  
> deeper response of the man on the train. Perhaps even a poor  
> substitute for feeling compassion for those affected by a disaster  
> like Katrina.
> 
> Is this making sense?
> P.
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:50 PM, dabeck AT iupui.edu wrote:
> 
> > Karl,
> > I think you're right. It is the anticipation more than the  
> > aftermath. But
> > probably it is also in the moment, to some extent. Like on the  
> > battlefield
> > (not that I've been there), the rush of the danger might make one  
> > more "alive"
> > in the moment (as I heard Jackson Browne sing the other day on the
> > radio: "While the veterans, dream of the fight/While fast asleep at  
> > the
> > traffic light") but that same person might have to deal with PTSD  
> > later.
> >  I don't have Message in a Bottle with me, but the man on the train  
> > is in the
> > middle of a crisis when he notices his hand for the first time. I  
> > guess it all
> > depends on what the outcome is.
> >  While slightly different, I remember a friend of mine whose  
> > daughter died
> > when she was six or seven, saying that it was the most painful  
> > experience in
> > his life, but at the same time, the most beautiful. He said that it  
> > awakened
> > him to what was important and to the presence of God (and he was a  
> > pastor). In
> > LIR, regarding his daughter's death, More asks something like, What  
> > if you ask
> > God for a miracle and it happens. What then? After that he says,  
> > "Samantha,
> > forgive me. I'm sorry you suffered and died, my heart broke, but  
> > there have
> > been times when I wasn't above enjoying it." One of the strangest  
> > lines in
> > Percy's fiction, in my opinion.
> >  Does it tie into what we've been discussing (i.e. "hurricane  
> > syndrome", etc.?)
> > -David
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Karl M. Terrell" <kterrell AT sheastokes.com>:
> >
> >
> >> I think it's the approach of bad news that excites us.  The  
> >> aftermath or
> >> reality, however, dumps us back into ordinariness.  Hence, the
> >> fundamental need to continue searching.
> >>
> >> Percy pointed out the weird, guilty giddiness we receive from bad  
> >> news;
> >> how we almost wish for it.  The media, of course, is onto this.   
> >> Several
> >> weeks ago a plane crashed and all 100+ passengers walked away with no
> >> deaths and few injuries.  The sense of disappointment among the  
> >> talking
> >> heads was palpable.
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dabeck AT iupui.edu [mailto:dabeck AT iupui.edu]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:57 AM
> >> To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] "What's so great about this Percy guy,  
> >> anyway?"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what Percy would say about this recent disaster. I do  
> >> know,
> >>
> >> however, that conveying this idea--that tragedy can break us from our
> >> everydayness, even make life exciting again--is difficult to  
> >> convey to
> >> my
> >> college students. Some get it; some think it's crazy.
> >>  When I used to Lancelot along with Fight Club, I would point out the
> >> similarities (narrator/Tyler hoping that the plane he's on  
> >> crashes, etc.
> >> That
> >> feeling pain is better than feeling nothing, etc.
> >>  I remember on and after 9/11 we had this discussion on the list. It
> >> seemed to
> >> be an example of where Percy's hurricane theory didn't work.  Off to
> >> class. -David
> >>
> >> Quoting "Karl M. Terrell" <kterrell AT sheastokes.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >>> * * This communication is CONFIDENTIAL * *
> >>>
> >>> Tying the two current themes together ... I was also first attracted
> >>> to Percy by the sheer delight in reading his wonderfully smooth  
> >>> prose,
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> and the way his likable characters roam outside the mainstream,
> >>>
> >> buffeting
> >>
> >>> about, but ultimately in search of some truer path.   The search  
> >>> seems
> >>> to begin with awareness of the discomfort of "everydayness."
> >>>
> >>> I was particularly struck, early on, with his comparison (I forget
> >>> where, but he returns to this in several books) of a successful man
> >>> sitting in his fine home in Short Hills, N.J. on a Wednesday
> >>> afternoon, birds chirping contentedly in the trees against a clear
> >>> blue sky -- he should be feeling fine; the world is his oyster;  
> >>> but he
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> finds himself profoundly ill at ease -- contrasted with the  
> >>> excitement
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> one feels when a hurricane is bearing down.  Bad news takes us  
> >>> out of
> >>> the ordinariness of a Wednesday afternoon, where you're stuck and
> >>> don't know what to do, and wonder how in the hell you'll make it
> >>> through the next few hours.
> >>>
> >>> But now the hurricane has passed, and has devastated a great city.
> >>> Amidst the grief, the ordinariness of a day-to-day struggle of
> >>> returning to the ordinary will take over.  I wonder how Percy would
> >>> write of that experience -- perhaps he has, and I don't recall (it's
> >>> been many years since I really spent a lot of time with WP).   
> >>> Love in
> >>> the Ruins?  Maybe someone out there can point to a book or passage.
> >>>
> >>> Karl
> >>> -----Original Message----- .
> >>> From: Dye, Steve [mailto:sldye AT bluegrass.org]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:04 AM
> >>> To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [percy-l] "What's so great about this Percy guy,  
> >>> anyway?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My thoughts exactly...the New Orleans that many of have known and
> >>> loved for years (and that was so beautifully written about by Percy)
> >>> is gone forever...
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >>> [mailto:percy-l-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Stuart  
> >>> Chapman
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:42 AM
> >>> To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [percy-l] "What's so great about this Percy guy,  
> >>> anyway?"
> >>>
> >>> Been thinking about you, Percy, and everybody else New Orleans- 
> >>> related
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> over these last few days, and I hope that you are ok.
> >>>
> >>> It's just awful.
> >>>
> >>> Stuart
> >>>
> >>> Dave Duty <daveduty AT austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> Is no one else on the list concerned about Nikki and the other New
> >>> Orleans area residents?
> >>>
> >>> Nikki -- if your out there -- let us know if you and your loved ones
> >>> are ok -- God Bless -- Dave
> >>>
> >>> JHForest AT cs.com <mailto:JHForest AT cs.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> What would you say to a young person who asks, "What so great  
> >>>>> about
> >>>>>
> >>> this
> >>> Percy guy, anyway?" <<
> >>>
> >>> What keeps Walker Percy in print fifteen years after his death is  
> >>> the
> >>> sheer delight of reading his books.
> >>>
> >>> A key word with Percy was "search." It seems to me all of his  
> >>> fiction
> >>> and non-fiction have to do with that topic. As he said:
> >>>
> >>> "If I had the choice of knowing the truth or searching for the  
> >>> truth,
> >>> I'd take the search."
> >>>
> >>> It's a subject of the search has been much on my mind lately if  
> >>> for no
> >>> other reason than I'm at work on a book about pilgrimage (understood
> >>> not only as making journeys to distant shrines but an attitude about
> >>> being that has little to do with travel). One way of defining a
> >>>
> >> pilgrim
> >>
> >>> is a person on a search.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Forest
> >>>
> >>> * * *
> >>> Jim & Nancy Forest
> >>> Kanisstraat 5 / 1811 GJ Alkmaar / The Netherlands
> >>> Jim's e-mail: jhforest AT cs.com <mailto:jhforest AT cs.com>  (alternative
> >>> address: jhforest AT gmail.com <mailto:jhforest AT gmail.com> ) Nancy's
> >>> e-mail: forestflier AT cs.com <mailto:forestflier AT cs.com> (alternative
> >>> address: forestflier AT gmail.com <mailto:forestflier AT gmail.com> )
> >>> Orthodox Peace Fellowship web site: http://www.incommunion.org
> >>> <http://www.incommunion.org/>
> >>> Jim & Nancy Forest web site: http://incommunion.org/forest-flier/
> >>> <http://incommunion.org/forest-flier/>
> >>> photo web site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimforest/sets/
> >>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimforest/sets/>
> >>> * * *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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