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- From: "James Piat" <piat1 AT bellsouth.net>
- To: "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion" <percy-l AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: [percy-l] In and About the world
- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:57:14 -0400
Dear Folks,
I think Percy talks a bit about the notion of
having a world and the distinction between an event occuring "in" the
world vs talking "about" or symbolizing such an event. Granted symbolizing
occurs in part as an event "in" the world but symbolizing is also a way of
stepping back from the world and talking "about" events that are merely
"in" (and not one step back so to speak) from the world. The question
is: How does this seeming ability to partially transcend the world arise
and what are its theological, philosophical and psychological
implications.
Fundamental to this discussion is of course the
distinction between the nature of an event which is merely "in" the world vs an
event such as symbolizing which is "about" events in the world. That these
are in principle two fundamentally different kinds of events is (it seems to me)
one of the first and main points Percy attempts to get across and is a
theme he repeatedly returns to in both his essays and novels.
Unless I misunderstand him he concludes or strongly
hints that the ability to symbolize is at least for him a powerfully
persausive sign of God's presense in the world. Something of this
specific point is I think is also coveryed in the Biblical parable of
the Garden of Eden. When man eats of the apple he becomes in some
ways god like in the sense of being able to step back from events in the
world and evaluate them against a moral criteria. Without the ability to
step back from the world of which he was a part man could not have discerned the
"aboutness" of moral judgments and was thus previously unaware of their
existence.
One more elaboration and I'll stop --
seems to me Percy was also very keen on exploring how the insights of the
existentialist helped reveal the nature of symbolization. I agree and one
of the reasons I do is because I believe that symbolization is a kind of
meta knowledge or knowledge about knowledge. Specifically I believe that
the ability to symbolize itself ultimately gave rise to the knowledge of
existence (as a generalization from specific experiences of objects being
present and absent in time and space) and that this is the key to the riddle of
consciousness. Consciousness is knowledge of the "existence" of objects
not mere aquaintance with the the objects themselves.
Hope all this hasn't been two circular or otherwise
inchoherent. Just trying to stir up and join the discussion of symbolization
which is also a favorite topic of mine.
Cheers,
Jim Piat
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Re: [percy-l] West Wing
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- Re: [percy-l] West Wing, David Alan Beck, 08/14/2003
- Re: [percy-l] West Wing, Works of the Law, Tim Cole, 08/15/2003
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RE: [percy-l] West Wing,
Parlin, Steven, 08/14/2003
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RE: [percy-l] West Wing,
David Alan Beck, 08/14/2003
- Re: [percy-l] West Wing, James Piat, 08/14/2003
- Re: [percy-l] West Wing, RHONDA MCDONNELL, 08/18/2003
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[percy-l] gays, biblical authority and Percy's language theory --,
Karey L. Perkins, 08/15/2003
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Re: [percy-l] gays, biblical authority and Percy's language theory --,
Mike Frentz, 08/15/2003
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[percy-l] Peirce/Percy,
Karey L. Perkins, 08/16/2003
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Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy,
James Piat, 08/17/2003
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[percy-l] In and About the world,
James Piat, 08/17/2003
- Re: [percy-l] In and About the world, Ken Armstrong, 08/17/2003
- Re: [percy-l] In and About the world, James Piat, 08/17/2003
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[percy-l] In and About the world,
James Piat, 08/17/2003
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Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy,
Karey L. Perkins, 08/17/2003
- Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy, James Piat, 08/17/2003
- Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy, Mike Frentz, 08/18/2003
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Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy,
James Piat, 08/17/2003
- Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy, Kenneth Ketner, 08/18/2003
- Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy, Mike Frentz, 08/18/2003
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Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy,
Kenneth Ketner, 08/19/2003
- Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy, James Piat, 08/19/2003
- Re: [percy-l] Peirce/Percy, Mike Frentz, 08/19/2003
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[percy-l] Peirce/Percy,
Karey L. Perkins, 08/16/2003
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Re: [percy-l] gays, biblical authority and Percy's language theory --,
Mike Frentz, 08/15/2003
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RE: [percy-l] West Wing,
David Alan Beck, 08/14/2003
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