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  • From: "Parlin, Steven" <PARLINS AT culver.org>
  • To: "'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion'" <percy-l AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: RE: [percy-l] "...to the gas chamber..."
  • Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:07:32 -0500


Ken,

First things first: Is the Fist Things article available online? I haven't
access to a hard copy, but I'll read it first thing when I get one.

Must be catching.

SP








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OK, Steve, I'll have to wait for a quiet moment to digest this, and to read
Arendt (for right now I could call myself Haven't Arendt.....sorry, some
punning bug going around here). But in light of

At 01:34 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, Steve Parlin wrote:

>As for a "Just war"...this is an altogether different issue from
>catagorizing this current war, or any other, as a "Christian crusade". It's
>not a Christian-driven war. That is, it's not for love of Christ and
Kindgom
>that this war is being waged.

you may want to take a look at First Things, not because it is
necessarily correct (the article on just war), but because it argues quite
contrary to your own assertions.

Ken Armstrong

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Jim, if you didn't see it embedded in a previous thread, I wanted to thank
you for your apology.

In retrospect, perhaps I was a bit too caustic toward you. Know that it was
in part due to my daily regimen of defending my faith. Where I work I have
to be constantly at the ready to defend against statements about things like
the "crimes of the Christians". I just didn't expect to have to be on the
defensive in this venue, particularly since the principle subject of list
was a Catholic. I wonder what he'd make of this venue anyway.

SP


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Ken Armstrong wrote:

> Actually I was half-tempted to agree that your umbrage with Jim for the
> Christian crusade remark might (might: take a look at the latest issue of
> First Things with its declaration of the "just war" about to commence)be
> justified,

Dear Ken, Steve, Folks--
Me too --and more than half! Once again I went too far with my careless
and offensive rhetoric. I apologize to all. Even at sixty-one years I'm
still trying to figure out how to explore and vent my ideas and feelings
among friends without going overboard and offending my friends
sensibilities. Often I fail and I appreciate the fact that you are all a
forgiving bunch. Truth is I have great admiration for Percy, O'Connor and
all of you. And I greatly enjoy the lively exchange of ideas on this list.
So I don't want to spoil the congenial and mutual respectful atmosphere that
makes this possible and again apologize for my offensive rhetoric.

Imagine the potential for misunderstanding and hurt feelings that such a
discussion might engender among folks of different faiths, nationalities,
languages and cultural histories!

And, Jim -- yes, I too find Percy and O'Connor very funny and a mostly
just a delight to read. I realize, also, that none of my interpretations do
any of their writings justice, but nonetheless I find discussing their work
great fun and can't resist the urge to do so. Hope business picks up soon!


Best wishes,
Jim Piat

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on the contrary, this is supposedly where the whole thing starts, with the
euthanasia of supposedly valueless life. People do it without a qualm in the
case of beloved companion soft furry animals (where sentimentality is
apparently acceptable) but balk at making such a decision over one's own
terminality with an extremely painful cancer and criticize folks who do use
human euthanasia as being on the slippery slope to death via sentiment. It
has always seemed to me that it ought to be just the other way round -- but
for a different reason which is that when one is exercising the fiduciary
duty to the animal you ought to be more conservative, not being able to know
for certain what the animal would want, but in the case of oneself, one can
make the decision for oneself and with dignity and rationality -- Petronius
fashion so to speak.

And yes, of course I give them pain-killers as I would myself.

Nikki

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At 03:07 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, Steve Parlin wrote:

>Ken,
>
>First things first: Is the Fist Things article available online?



Steve,

Apparently my definition of "current" needs updating. It is from the Jan.
issue, catch it on-line at
www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0301/articles/weigel.html .

The title is Moral Clarity in a Time of War.

I must be off-
Ken A




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