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["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>]

Chad Knepp wrote:

> Ok to add to the tallies we have afaik:
>
>   1) Use Zope and 'damn the torpedoes'.  Start on arashi and move to
>      ibiblio when they get a Zope server running or buy space at
>      johncompanies or some such if ibiblio doesn't.

Find out if and when ibiblio will have a Zope server with or without
supplemntal funding from us. If they definitely will (one way or another)
within a year then start work on arashi but get the account set up on ibiblio 
and begin hosting permaculture.info there and not on arashi;
simply link to the prototype database at arashi. Continued access to funding and use of the permaculture.info domain would be contingent on 
this plus the eventual (but within a specified timeframe, like as soon as Zope exists on ibiblio) complete transition of the database to 
ibiblio.

> Chad
> John H.
> John S.
>
>
>   2) Use python with a ZODB backend as well as some Zope tools (like
>      Interface and Catalog) on ibiblio.
>
>   3) Use Eden but abstract the database interface so that we can
>      [hopefully] forward port to Zope in the future.  This would also
>      be RDBMS agnostic allowing use of PostgreSQL, Firebird, MySQL,
>      Oracle, DB2, etc. interchangeably.
>
>   4) Use Eden/MySQL and 'damn the torpedoes'.  Continue development
>      from the existing codebase.
>
> Lawrence
> Richard ?

2, 3 or 4 are my choices
reasons:
1) free ibiblio hosting
2) better product; I am skeptical of what can be done with Zope

> I'd like for more input about this from folks esp. Richard on the
> technical end, and from Stephanie and Scott if you have any ideas on
> how to resolve/proceed here.

> A minor point, but I'd like to point out that voting is not consensus.
> A consensus decision is made when everyone is fully supportive of
> decision and all of our decisions so far have been fully supported by
> everyone.  I'm not terribly attached to always using consensus process
> but I'd like to point out that we are definitely split.  Lawrence has
> indicated that his need to have the project live at ibiblio met is a
> necessary prerequisite for his participation in the project.  My own

True.

> opinion is that at this early stage of development making the best
> choice technically is more important than the short term project

Short term project hosting? I thought we were talking about a (as far as 
possible)
permanent home for permaculture.info, which I feel should be ibiblio.
Technically, of your four options above, without having much technical 
expertise I still think that 2, 3 or 4
are a better choice than 1) Zope. This is mostly based on input from Rich. An 
analogy that comes to mind:
Zope is to Outlook Express as options 2,3,4 are to Pine or even Mozilla email 
client. I'm mostly guessing at this
but it is my impression anyway.

> hosting.  I don't think that I can address Lawrence's concerns any
> further than I have and I am reluctant to move from my own position.

LL
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