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  • From: Nathan Yergler <nathan AT creativecommons.org>
  • To: Javier Prenafeta <jprenafeta AT safecreative.org>
  • Cc: oscri AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Oscri] SemanticCopyright beta 0.1 online
  • Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:23:33 -0700

More pervasive marking of derivatives is definitely a good thing.
Looking forward to seeing how the effort develops.

Best regards,

Nathan


On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Javier Prenafeta
<jprenafeta AT safecreative.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Nathan,
>
> In relation to the application of Semantic Copyright, the ontology has been
> introduced initially in a set of scientific works provided by The Dialnet
> Foundation, which has a large experience in the management of articles and
> other works in university and academic sector. The copyright registry's
> ontology includes a class for derivative works specifically for marking a
> work as a derivative work and inform about the original works used in this
> one. As the ontology is being extended, users and applications can stablish
> cross-relationships and see all links between them.
>
> For CC licenses, some classes have been introduced, as sharealike and other
> special conditions (you can see the list of classes at
> http://www.semanticcopyright.org/files/registry-owl/html-doc/classes/index-individuals.owl.html),
> but the imputs are introduced, in the development phase in which Semantic
> Copyright is, by the registry or information provider, they are not obtained
> automatically through CC-Rel. Of course it would be very useful.
>
> Results are not fully accessible yet, but as soon as we can we will provide
> the list all informations and links to see how it works.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
> 2010/9/2 Nathan Yergler <nathan AT creativecommons.org>
>>
>> Hi Javier,
>>
>> I definitely appreciate the effort that went into Semantic Copyright.
>> I don't doubt that you evaluated the existing literature and made a
>> design decision that CC REL was not appropriate for you.
>>
>> Are there examples of Semantic Copyright available so we can see how
>> it would work on the web?  Have you considered how an application
>> might process a derivative work where inputs are described by CC REL
>> and Semantic Copyright?  Of course the two are conceptually
>> compatible, but that doesn't mean much for developers without clear
>> direction on how they intersect and work together.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Javier Prenafeta
>> <jprenafeta AT safecreative.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Nathan,
>> >
>> > The ontology on Semantic Copyright is intended to be neutral and
>> > extensive
>> > to the most licensing situations and forms, including CC. Of course we
>> > considered and recognized the advances in these field by CC-REL, maybe
>> > not
>> > in this document but for sure in other ones.
>> >
>> > We consider both models are compatible as undoubtely they share the main
>> > core, but we tried to go forward in a more standardisated and common
>> > language and give all works, regardless of their licensing system (if
>> > available) the same treatment.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/9/2 Nathan Yergler <nathan AT creativecommons.org>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Mario,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the links and information.  I read through the basic OWL
>> >> PDF and the some of the ontology descriptions.  I'm wondering if there
>> >> are examples online of how you expect licenses and works to be
>> >> annotated?  Or is this intended as the basis of the internal system at
>> >> Safe Creative or another registry/service?  I admit that I'm
>> >> disappointed that the ontology provides a new model for CC licenses,
>> >> without referring to the existing model, CC REL (either in comparison
>> >> to Semantic Copyright, in describing how one would handle situations
>> >> where you need to process both models, or as a reference point for
>> >> terms).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for sharing this, I look forward to seeing how it evolves.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Nathan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Mario Pena <mpena AT safecreative.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi everybody in OSCRI,
>> >> >
>> >> > We have published the first beta version of
>> >> > SemanticCopyright, a project to be released open for anybody to
>> >> > contribute and use to help to identify contents by themselves
>> >> > wherever
>> >> > they might be and link them with the best most accurate and relevant
>> >> > information.
>> >> >
>> >> > As some of you already know, It includes a basic onthology together
>> >> > with
>> >> > a more
>> >> > specific one for registries and many more can be created. Please,
>> >> > take
>> >> > a look and share any ideas,
>> >> > correction, or suggestions. Some links might not be correctly working
>> >> > yet, we are working on it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here the pages with the information and proposal:
>> >> >
>> >> > Main page:
>> >> > http://semanticcopyright.org <http://semanticcopyright.org/>
>> >> >
>> >> > http://semanticcopyright.org/index.php/ontology
>> >> >
>> >> > Basic
>> >> > http://semanticcopyright.org/index.php/ontology/basic
>> >> >
>> >> > For registries
>> >> > http://semanticcopyright.org/index.php/ontology/copyright-registry
>> >> >
>> >> > And don't forget to subscribe:
>> >> > http://semanticcopyright.org/index.php/adhesion/english-version
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Early feedback will be highly appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mario
>> >> > --
>> >> > Mario Pena (Community and Business Manager)
>> >> > mpena AT safecreative.org
>> >> > http://www.safecreative.org
>> >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mariopena
>> >> > http://www.facebook.com/marioantoniopena
>> >> > http://twitter.com/safecreative
>> >> > Skype: oneras
>> >> >
>> >> > Tel: (+34) 606 974 812
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Mario Pena (Community and Business Manager)
>> >> > mpena AT safecreative.org
>> >> > http://www.safecreative.org
>> >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mariopena
>> >> > http://www.facebook.com/marioantoniopena
>> >> > http://twitter.com/safecreative
>> >> > Skype: oneras
>> >> >
>> >> > Tel: (+34) 606 974 812
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>> > --
>> > Javier Prenafeta
>> > Asesor Legal / Legal Advisor
>> > Safe Creative
>> > jprenafeta AT safecreative.org
>> > www.safecreative.org
>> >
>
>
>
> --
> Javier Prenafeta
> Asesor Legal / Legal Advisor
> Safe Creative
> jprenafeta AT safecreative.org
> www.safecreative.org
>




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