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Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations

From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>, nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500

I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry
bushes

https://noursefarms.com/

They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with
some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who
aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the
insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better.
Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.

Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most
nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's
easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.

On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
>from. She's a master propagator.
>
>Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
>trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
>gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
>which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
>with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
>
>European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
>recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
>for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
>and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
>three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
>parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
>the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
>from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
>
>Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
>2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
>
>I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
>for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
>
>Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
>fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
>3 weeks ago.
>Richard Moyer
>SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
>90s.
>
>
>
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>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
>> Jackie,
>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>>
>> Lucky Pittman
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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>> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
>> > place to purchase it?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Jackie Kuehn
>> >
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>> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>> > > (Lawrence London)
>> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
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>> > > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
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>> > >
>> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
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>> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
>> > > From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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>> > > American Persimmon
>> > > Diospyros virginiana
>> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
>> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
>> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
>> > >
>> > > --Henry Fieldseth
>> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
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Thank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red
currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago, so
I’ll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from her
climate.

So good to hear from you all—I miss you!

gratefully,

Jackie

Jacquelyn Kuehn
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> I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry
> bushes
>
> https://noursefarms.com/
>
> They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble
> with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who
> aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the
> insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better.
> Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious
> jelly.
>
> Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most
> nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's
> easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.
>
> On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
>> from. She's a master propagator.
>>
>> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
>> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
>> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
>> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
>> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
>>
>> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
>> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
>> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
>> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
>> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
>> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
>> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
>> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
>>
>> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
>> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
>>
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
>>
>> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
>> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
>>
>> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
>> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
>> 3 weeks ago.
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
>> 90s.
>>
>>
>>
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>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
>>> Jackie,
>>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
>>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman
>>> Farms:
>>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>>>
>>> Lucky Pittman
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
>>>> place to purchase it?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Kuehn
>>>>
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>>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>> (Lawrence London)
>>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
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>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
>>>>> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
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>>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
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>>> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
>>>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
>>> documented
>>>>> the trip with text and video
>>>>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
>>>>> project. A Google site: search might find it.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
>>>>> Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> American Persimmon
>>>>> Diospyros virginiana
>>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
>>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
>>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
>>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
>>>>>
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Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations, Richard Moyer, 01/03/2024
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