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[Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>]

Hi Richard,

Nice story. I figure that many people consider any red fruit that they don’t 
know to be poisonous. They’re red to entice us, perhaps the thinking goes, 
sort of like the big, red, juicy apple of the Garden of Eden.

Lee
Lee Reich, PhD
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Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> Thanks for your excellent book, including this fruit.  While giving a talk
> last weekend on 'soft mast' fruits for wildlife, I included this one.
> Several folks had not seen them before, but were taken with the fruit
> color, with the early bloom for pollinators, with the notion of an edible
> dogwood, etc.
> 
> I use a pic of three plates of fruit from the same tree:  one harvested
> that day, the second held a day at room temp, and the third held two days
> at room temp.  The color deepens dramatically each day.  As does the flavor
> intensity, and diminution of 'off' flavors.
> 
> Been a while since I shared this:
> My first encounter with this fruit, at a neighbors house:
> Knock-knock:  "We live the next block over, noticed your tree while
> walking, could we taste some of the fruit?"
> ---'No, it's poisonous, I don't want anyone to get hurt.'
> "But I'm positive with the bark, opposite leaves, the fruit, that it's
> Cornus mas, an edible fruit, people just don't eat it around here."
> ---'We've always been told it's poisonous, so we've never tried it, or
> allowed anyone else to.'
> "I have a great book which devotes a whole chapter to this fruit.
> Sometimes it's called Cornelian cherry, though it's not really a cherry.
> Could I taste a few of them?"
> ---(Reluctantly):  'Well, you can taste a couple, but I won't let your
> daughter eat any, don't want her to be poisoned.'
> 
> We both lived to tell about it, she begging for one on the way home.  In
> time our own trees bore.
> 
> Since then, have noted multiple public locations with trees bearing well.
> Such as the ALS building at Oregon State U, in Corvallis.
> 
> Our favorite use has been running very ripe fruit through a food mill, for
> a fresh dessert something like cranberry relish.  And a jam with the same
> goes well on toast.
> 
> Richard Moyer, SW VA
> Nanking Cherries blooming well this week, first peach blossoms yesterday,
> cattle grazing grass three weeks earlier than usual...
> 
> 
> 
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>> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
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>> I devote a whole chapter to Cornus mas in my book Uncommon Fruits for
>> Every Garden. One website says that ?mas? means is a Latin prefix meaning
>> ?strong?, referring to the wood, which you quickly find out it is, when
>> pruning.
>> 
>> That same site states that ?cornelian? comes from ?cornel? which comes
>> from ?cornu?, describing hard and tough objects, such as the horn of a
>> goat. Researching for my book, however, I found that ?cornelian? refers to
>> the fruits similatrity in color to cornelian (or carnelian) quartz.
>> Cornelian quartz ?has a waxy luster and a deep red, reddish white, of flesh
>> red (?carnis' is Latin for flesh color) color?. Perhaps the ?mas? meaning
>> is also wrong; perhaps I?m wrong about Cornus meaning.
>> 
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at  http://www.leereich.com/blog <
>> http://www.leereich.com/blog>
>> http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read, probably on this list, that "mas" is for "masculine, since the
>> young tree only produces masculine blooms.
>>> 
>>> Ginda Fisher
>>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Dr. Lucky Pittman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> C.mas in full bloom here in KY right now.
>>>> 
>>>> Saw a post on Facebook one night last week... nice photo, with caption
>>>> "Cornus mas fruit" , and underneath, the 'see translation hypertext'...
>>>> clicked on it... "Cornus more fruit"... from Spanish....
>>>> Duh.  I knew 'mas' meant 'more' in el Espanol... but I'm not certain
>> that
>>>> that  is where that specific epithet came from.
>>>> 
>>>> Lucky Pittman
>>>> Hopkinsville, KY
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> Sam (MPCA)
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>>>> Subject: [nafex] Ancient Fruit Cornelian Cherry Warrants a Comeback (ABC
>>>> News)
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>>>> 
>>>> Chron.com
>>>> 
>>>> Ancient Fruit Cornelian Cherry Warrants a Comeback
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>>>> ABC News
>>>> Summer and fall also bring fruits, which, unknown to most people, are
>>>> edible. The fruits - oval, fire-engine red, with a single stone - look
>> a lot
>>>> like ...
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