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- Subject: [nafex] Fw: Ka-Bluey Blueberry
- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
Ka-Bluey is the trademarked name that the variety is marketed under. It is
licensed exclusively to the Gardens Alive! group of companies so Gardens
Alive, Henry Fields, Gurneys, etc. are the only places you will find it. It
was never formally given a cultivar name per se, but was tested under the
selection number A-257.
Here is the publised description from from John Clark in the Brooks and Olmo
list:
A mid-early season blueberry with distinct flavor suitable for home gardens.
Origin: Univ. of Arkansas, by J.R. Clark, J.N. Moore, and A.D. Draper. US 73
x G-526; selected 1988; tested as A-257; introd. 2005. Fruit: med. to
med.-small, 1.4 g; medium-dark; flavor very distinct, often described as
‘‘peach like’’; good scar; crisp texture; ripens 27 May in Clarksville, AR;
Plant: selected in low organic matter, non-amended soil and has good vigor in
mineral soils; upright to slightly spreading growth habit; early blooming, 3
Mar. early bloom and 50% bloom 4 Apr. (Bluecrop 11 Apr.); believed to be
self-pollinating; chilling requirement not fully determined but estimated to
be 500–800 h; no diseases observed in Arkansas.
Color is an important criteria for the fresh market, but not so much for
processing. That said, few people are planting blueberries solely for the
processed market, and virtually nobody is in the region that this was
selected for. That's why this was never released as a commercial variety and
saved only as a parent. The University of Arkansas blueberry program was
(last time I talked to John Clark, he was no longer doing blueberry crosses)
geared to develope varieties for the upper south with some of the heat
tolerance and quality of southern highbush types such as those planted in
Florida and North Carolina, with enough chilling and cold tolerance to
perform in a more continental climate. That said, this was developed in zone
6, and given the high degree of southern highbush ancestry on both sides of
it's pedigree, I would guess that it is not likely to have sufficient
mid-winter cold hardiness of it's flower buds in more northern climates, and
its lower chill and early bloom may make it susceptible to frost damage of
any flower buds that do make it through the winter.
Michael (blueberry, raspberry, and strawberry breeder)
Michael Dossett
Mission, British Columbia
http://www.mdossettphoto.com/
Michael@Mdossettphoto.com
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On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:59 AM, Steve <sdw12986@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks Richard.
Actually, late last night I found this:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex/2011-January/042990.html
This must be the discussion I read and I forgot most of the details. I
remember that I read it a little over a year ago, but it was all written
a few years ago. I must have searched for it (or just discussions about
blueberries) last year.
Steve
On 4/9/2014 7:26 AM, Richard J. Ossolinski wrote:
>> http://www.knowzo.com/results/topic/g?utm_source=adwords&utm_term=ka%20bluey%20blueberry&id=wUTM5UzNzUzNtQTLzIDMxcjN0gjM&gclid=CKTHvbel070CFWxp7AodyygAZg
>
> On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:57 PM, Steve wrote:
>
>> More than a year ago, there was a discussion on our group, here, about
>> a highly flavored blueberry that a few members liked. I intended to
>> order a plant or two last spring but circumstances prevented me from
>> following through with that. Now, the only thing I remember about the
>> conversation is that Gardens Alive sells it on their website under
>> their own name.
>> I just checked the Gardens Alive site and I'm sure their Ka-Bluey
>> variety is the one. What is the name of this blueberry when other
>> places sell it?
>> Maybe it's lucky that I didn't plant blueberries last year. This
>> winter would have been rough on them to say the least. The snow cover
>> didn't come until mid winter and prior to that the temperatures went
>> down to -30, or close to it, several times. Does anyone here grow that
>> variety where conditions get that cold?
>> I've been meaning to plant a group of blueberries for literally
>> decades. It's time to get on with it and do it!
>>
>> Steve in the Adirondacks
>>
>
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Apologies if this already went through, I'm having trouble with my email this
morning.
Ka-Bluey is the trademarked name of a blueberry licensed exclusively to the
Gardens Alive! group of companies, so Gardens Alive, Gurneys, Henry Fields
etc. are the only place you will find it. It was developed at the University
of Arkansas and tested under the selection number A-257. Here is the
description from the breeder published in the Brooks and Olmo register:
A mid-early season blueberry with distinct flavor suitable for home gardens.
Origin: Univ. of Arkansas, by J.R. Clark, J.N. Moore, and A.D. Draper. US 73
x G-526; selected 1988; tested as A-257; introd. 2005. Fruit: med. to
med.-small, 1.4 g; medium-dark; flavor very distinct, often described as
‘‘peach like’’; good scar; crisp texture; ripens 27 May in Clarksville, AR;
Plant: selected in low organic matter, non-amended soil and has good vigor in
mineral soils; upright to slightly spreading growth habit; early blooming, 3
Mar. early bloom and 50% bloom 4 Apr. (Bluecrop 11 Apr.); believed to be
self-pollinating; chilling requirement not fully determined but estimated to
be 500–800 h; no diseases observed in Arkansas.
As has been mentioned before, it was never formally released and was kept as
a parent because of the dark color. Lighter color (really it is a persistent
waxy bloom that can be rubbed off) is an important criteria for fresh market
blueberries, though not so much for processing. That said, few people plant
blueberries commercially anymore solely for processing - they usually only
sell there if they can't make grade for the fresh market, or if their fresh
packer is inundated with enough volume that they have to go to processing.
Processed berries don't recieve as good of a price, and the only market in
the areas where this was developed for, are for fresh.
The University of Arkansas breeding program was (last time I talked to John
Clark, they were no longer doing blueberry crosses and were finishing
evaluations on the last round of selections) geared toward developing berries
for the upper south with the heat tolerance and quality of the southern
highbush types, like those grown in Florida and south-coastal North Carolina,
with enough chilling and cold tolerance to do OK in a more continental
climate. This was developed in a zone 6 climate and has a high degree of
southern highbush germplasm (on both sides of the pedigree) in its ancestry.
Not to discourage people from giving it a try, but I would say that it is
more likely than not that it won't have sufficient mid-winter cold hardiness
for the flower buds to survive reliably in northern climates and that it's
lower chilling requirement and early bloom will make those flower buds that
do survive the winter more susceptible to frost injury.
Michael (blueberry, raspberry and strawberry breeder)
Michael Dossett
Mission, British Columbia
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Michael@Mdossettphoto.com
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On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:59 AM, Steve <sdw12986@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks Richard.
Actually, late last night I found this:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex/2011-January/042990.html
This must be the discussion I read and I forgot most of the details. I
remember that I read it a little over a year ago, but it was all written
a few years ago. I must have searched for it (or just discussions about
blueberries) last year.
Steve
On 4/9/2014 7:26 AM, Richard J. Ossolinski wrote:
>> http://www.knowzo.com/results/topic/g?utm_source=adwords&utm_term=ka%20bluey%20blueberry&id=wUTM5UzNzUzNtQTLzIDMxcjN0gjM&gclid=CKTHvbel070CFWxp7AodyygAZg
>
> On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:57 PM, Steve wrote:
>
>> More than a year ago, there was a discussion on our group, here, about
>> a highly flavored blueberry that a few members liked. I intended to
>> order a plant or two last spring but circumstances prevented me from
>> following through with that. Now, the only thing I remember about the
>> conversation is that Gardens Alive sells it on their website under
>> their own name.
>> I just checked the Gardens Alive site and I'm sure their Ka-Bluey
>> variety is the one. What is the name of this blueberry when other
>> places sell it?
>> Maybe it's lucky that I didn't plant blueberries last year. This
>> winter would have been rough on them to say the least. The snow cover
>> didn't come until mid winter and prior to that the temperatures went
>> down to -30, or close to it, several times. Does anyone here grow that
>> variety where conditions get that cold?
>> I've been meaning to plant a group of blueberries for literally
>> decades. It's time to get on with it and do it!
>>
>> Steve in the Adirondacks
>>
>
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Naomi,
�
Good vigor in mineral soils just means that it still performs in soils with
lower organic matter and shouldn't be interpreted as saying much about pH
range.� While the recommended range for blueberries is pH 4.5-5.5, there are
varieties and soil conditions up to about 6 or so where blueberries can still
do OK in some cases.� Anything higher than that and you are probably looking
at planting in a spot highly supplemented with peat and/or acidifying
irrigation water to get good nutrient uptake and reliable performance.
Michael Dossett
Mission, British Columbia
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phainopepla@yahoo.com
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:57 AM, Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:
Does "good vigor in mineral soils"mean more tolerant of alkaline conditions?
Naomi
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Subject: [nafex] Fw: Ka-Bluey Blueberry
Ka-Bluey is the trademarked name that the variety is marketed under.� It is
licensed exclusively to the Gardens Alive! group of companies so Gardens
Alive, Henry Fields, Gurneys, etc. are the only places you will find it.� It
was never formally given a cultivar name per se, but was tested under the
selection number A-257.
Here is the publised description from from John Clark in the Brooks and Olmo
list:
A mid-early season blueberry with distinct flavor suitable for home gardens.
Origin: Univ. of Arkansas, by J.R. Clark, J.N. Moore, and A.D. Draper. US 73
x G-526; selected 1988; tested as A-257; introd. 2005. Fruit: med. to
med.-small, 1.4 g; medium-dark; flavor very distinct, often described as�
peach like� ; good scar; crisp texture; ripens 27 May in Clarksville, AR;
Plant: selected in low organic matter, non-amended soil and has good vigor in
mineral soils; upright to slightly spreading growth habit; early blooming, 3
Mar. early bloom and 50% bloom 4 Apr. (Bluecrop 11 Apr.); believed to be
self-pollinating; chilling requirement not fully determined but estimated to
be 500 800 h; no diseases observed in Arkansas.
Color is an important criteria for the fresh market, but not so much for
processing.� That said, few people are planting blueberries solely for the
processed market, and virtually nobody is in the region that this was
selected for.� That's why this was never released as a commercial variety and
saved only as a parent.� The University of Arkansas blueberry program was
(last time I talked to John Clark, he was no longer doing blueberry crosses)
geared to develope varieties for the upper south with some of the heat
tolerance and quality of southern highbush types such as those planted in
Florida and North Carolina, with enough chilling and cold tolerance to
perform in a more continental climate.� That said, this was developed in zone
6, and given the high degree of southern highbush ancestry on both sides of
it's pedigree, I would guess that it is not likely to have sufficient
mid-winter cold hardiness of it's flower buds in more northern climates,
and� its lower chill and early bloom may make it susceptible to frost damage
of any flower buds that do make it through the winter.
Michael (blueberry, raspberry, and strawberry breeder)
Michael Dossett
Mission, British Columbia
http://www.mdossettphoto.com/
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On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:59 AM, Steve <sdw12986@aol.com> wrote:
�
Thanks Richard.
Actually, late last night I found this:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex/2011-January/042990.html
This must be the discussion I read and I forgot most of the details. I
remember that I read it a little over a year ago, but it was all written a
few years ago. I must have searched for it (or just discussions about
blueberries) last year.
Steve
On 4/9/2014 7:26 AM, Richard J. Ossolinski wrote:
>> http://www.knowzo.com/results/topic/g?utm_source=adwords&utm_term=ka%
>> 20bluey%20blueberry&id=wUTM5UzNzUzNtQTLzIDMxcjN0gjM&gclid=CKTHvbel070
>> CFWxp7AodyygAZg
>
> On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:57 PM, Steve wrote:
>
>> More than a year ago, there was a discussion on our group, here,
>> about a highly flavored blueberry that a few members liked. I
>> intended to order a plant or two last spring but circumstances
>> prevented me from following through with that. Now, the only thing I
>> remember about the conversation is that Gardens Alive sells it on
>> their website under their own name.
>> I just checked the Gardens Alive site and I'm sure their� Ka-Bluey
>> variety is the one. What is the name of this blueberry when other
>> places sell it?
>> Maybe it's lucky that I didn't plant blueberries last year. This
>> winter would have been rough on them to say the least. The snow cover
>> didn't come until mid winter and prior to that the temperatures went
>> down to -30, or close to it, several times. Does anyone here grow
>> that variety where conditions get that cold?
>> I've been meaning to plant a group of blueberries for literally
>> decades. It's time to get on with it and do it!
>>
>> Steve in the Adirondacks
>>
>
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When I was growing up in Oregon I saw a lot of Salmon berries especially at
the coast. I never saw any that were 10 ft tall nor did I manage to taste
any that weren't more or less insipid. They always looked delicious, but
not much flavor. Generally at the coast the salmon berrie plants are pretty
dense and live in a high moisture area
Thimble berries are quite good both in Western Oregon and upper Minnesota.
Martha Davis
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