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[Michael Dossett <phainopepla@yahoo.com>]

Charlie,
 
Baba is a primocane fruiting red raspberry.  It has red fruit, has no 
blackberry charactaristics, and is most certainly not a blackberry x 
raspberry hybrid.  I have read enough things about Tyty on the web and heard 
from other people that I take anything I read on their website with a grain 
of salt.  I have no idea what they are selling, but if the picture matches 
the plant, it isn't Baba, and neither is their description.
 
Because you are in Massachusetts, I don't think that Baba can really be 
recommended for your area.  It is a low-chill variety that is heat tolerant 
and not terribly cold hardy (although that doesn't matter so much if you are 
only growing it for the primocane crop).  There are much better adapted 
raspberry varieties that will do well in your area that have better fruit 
quality and will likely perform better for you.
 
As for Kiowa, it is a large fruit with nice flavor, but again I'm hesitant to 
recommend it for you because it is not particularly cold-hardy either.  Also 
it suckers underground which could be a problem if you are concerned about 
controlling it.  I think something like Triple Crown would be a much better 
choice for your area.
 
Michael

Michael Dossett
Mission, British Columbia
www.Mdossettphoto.com
phainopepla@yahoo.com

 
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Subject: [nafex] Baba Berry and Kiowa Blackberry and AR varieties

I had thought Don Yellman had called Baba Berry a raspberry?
Despite praise for the Baba Berry, I still find few sources for it.
One source shows of picture of it looks like a blackberry:
http://www.tytyga.com/Baba-Blackberry-Plants-p/baba-blackberry-plants.htm
but this article from the LA Times has a picture of Baba that is red:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/22/food/la-fo-marketwatch-sherman-oaks-
temple20110422

I have always been reluctant to bring in brambles.
I grew up with some raspberries red and yellow that yielded OK for some 
years but then gradually got viruses and after production declined it took 
many years to get rid of the plants that kept persisting and even 
spreading.  But now there's an area at the corner of the backyard that has 
two black walnuts getting pretty large and one of the few plants that 
naturally associate with black walnuts is brambles.  So if I want  
production of anything else out of the space, it means brambles.  I'm 
hoping that 10 years from now or whenever the brambles become unproductive, 
I'll find some way to smother the brambles.  

A blackberry I thought of bringing in is Kiowa because of large berry size, 
vigor.  Can someone comment on Baba vs. Kiowa?  And can anyone cite a 
reasonably-priced source for either that is recently out of tissue culture? 


As for where-to-buy, I found a page Arkansas [who bred most the current 
blackberries] has listing authorized sellers of its patented varieties:
http://www.aragriculture.org/horticulture/fruits_nuts/blackberries/licensedp
rop.htm  Thanks  Charlie in Massachusetts
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Subject: [nafex] In what way does sour-cherry (P. cerasus) sucker?
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I'm thinking of burying the graft-union of my semi-dwarf varieties 
sour-cherry trees (cv. 'Danube'; cv. 'Montmorency'); they are, presently, on 
P. mahaleb.  They will not receive (much) dwarfing by being on P. mahaleb, 
although just having a graft-union (albeit just another point of entry for 
disease to worry about) will confer some (minimal) dwarfing.  The ground's a 
bit moist, so P. cerasus (the variety) itself it better suited for the soil 
then the more xeric P. mahaleb (rootstock).


I like to see a tree in it's natural form - for instance, the idea of a 
single-trunk (if trained as such) serviceberry is not something I'm 
interested in. 


So, I know that sour-cherry (P. cerasus) will sucker, but will it sucker like 
a typical serviceberry, or sucker like a 
sea-berry/running-serviceberry/American persimmon, sending-out adventitious 
roots far from the mother-tree?


If the latter, I definitely will leave it on P. mahaleb.




Thank you,


Steve