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["alden@waldenwinds.com" <alden@waldenwinds.com>]

I had thought Don Yellman had called Baba Berry a raspberry?
Despite praise for the Baba Berry, I still find few sources for it.
One source shows of picture of it looks like a blackberry:
http://www.tytyga.com/Baba-Blackberry-Plants-p/baba-blackberry-plants.htm
but this article from the LA Times has a picture of Baba that is red:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/22/food/la-fo-marketwatch-sherman-oaks-
temple20110422

I have always been reluctant to bring in brambles.
I grew up with some raspberries red and yellow that yielded OK for some 
years but then gradually got viruses and after production declined it took 
many years to get rid of the plants that kept persisting and even 
spreading.  But now there's an area at the corner of the backyard that has 
two black walnuts getting pretty large and one of the few plants that 
naturally associate with black walnuts is brambles.  So if I want  
production of anything else out of the space, it means brambles.   I'm 
hoping that 10 years from now or whenever the brambles become unproductive, 
I'll find some way to smother the brambles.  

A blackberry I thought of bringing in is Kiowa because of large berry size, 
vigor.  Can someone comment on Baba vs. Kiowa?  And can anyone cite a 
reasonably-priced source for either that is recently out of tissue culture? 


As for where-to-buy, I found a page Arkansas [who bred most the current 
blackberries] has listing authorized sellers of its patented varieties:
http://www.aragriculture.org/horticulture/fruits_nuts/blackberries/licensedp
rop.htm   Thanks  Charlie in Massachusetts