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[Jackie <jakuehn@verizon.net>]

Matt, I don't know a lot about mulberries, though I have an Illinois 
Everbearing, but I have noticed over the years that mulberry leaves take 
many, many different forms: sometimes one tree will have deeply lobed leaves 
and almost round, single-pointed leaves all at the same time. I just noticed 
today that my IE tree, which had been ravaged by groundhogs and deer--its 
leaves and fruit stripped clean of many of the branches--has lavishly 
releafed, and the leaves have no lobes at all.

Regarding Pomona, it's time for all of you to consider what you could tell 
the rest of us about your fruit-growing experiences of 2011--or the past. 
Good harvest? Bad harvest? Wet year, dry year? Our September in western PA 
was the wettest on record; how about yours? We'd love to hear about it.

Email me your article, short or long, personally to:

jakuehn@verizon.net

Your fall Pomona should arrive in your snail mailbox before long.

Thanks.

Jackie
Jacquelyn A. Kuehn

pennsacreskitchen.net
wmugradio.org




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>   1. Re: strange mulberry leaf. (mIEKAL aND)
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>   3. Re: strange mulberry leaf. (mIEKAL aND)
>   4. Re: strange mulberry leaf. (Matt Demmon)
>   5. Re: strange mulberry leaf. (Dr. Lucky Pittman)
>   6. Looking for Sam Bumgardt (sp?) (cutts)
>   7. Hovenia dulcis (Japanese raisin tree) - anyone have a good
>      tasting specimen? (Steven Covacci)
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> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:05:36 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] strange mulberry leaf.
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> I have a couple different fig varieties that have very similar leaves.
> 
> ~mIEKAL
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was wondering if any of you crazy fruit explorers have seen a
>> mulberry with a leaf like this. It looked like a Morus alba, but the
>> sinus lobing is way deeper than any I've seen, the lobes are very
>> straight, and there's no small teeth at all. I've seen 2 trees in the
>> Ann Arbor area that looked like this, both obviously self-seeded, one
>> in a fencerow by a cemetary and one behind a dumpster. Both were young
>> and vigorous. I know mulberry leaves change significantly with
>> vigor/age, but I've never seen anything like this on any of the
>> mulberries I've seen.
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:20:05 -0400
> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] strange mulberry leaf.
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> They are not like any figs I've seen. Same exact twig width as
> mulberry, same buds, same bark color on young stems at least. I've
> only seen two young plants. Figs have much thicker branches and don't
> have the slight zig-zag that mulberries seem to.
> 
> No fruit unfortnately.
> 
> -matt
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a couple different fig varieties that have very similar leaves.
>> 
>> ~mIEKAL
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I was wondering if any of you crazy fruit explorers have seen a
>>> mulberry with a leaf like this. It looked like a Morus alba, but the
>>> sinus lobing is way deeper than any I've seen, the lobes are very
>>> straight, and there's no small teeth at all. I've seen 2 trees in the
>>> Ann Arbor area that looked like this, both obviously self-seeded, one
>>> in a fencerow by a cemetary and one behind a dumpster. Both were young
>>> and vigorous. I know mulberry leaves change significantly with
>>> vigor/age, but I've never seen anything like this on any of the
>>> mulberries I've seen.
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> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:35:54 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] strange mulberry leaf.
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> Was looking for a leaf pic of the figs I have.  I don't see them on
> Figs4Fun but the following is pretty similar to the one I have except
> the tips don't flare out so much.
> 
> http://figs4fun.com/fpix/FP945-79.jpg
> 
> ~mIEKAL
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> They are not like any figs I've seen. Same exact twig width as
>> mulberry, same buds, same bark color on young stems at least. I've
>> only seen two young plants. Figs have much thicker branches and don't
>> have the slight zig-zag that mulberries seem to.
>> 
>> No fruit unfortnately.
>> 
>> -matt
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a couple different fig varieties that have very similar leaves.
>>> 
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if any of you crazy fruit explorers have seen a
>>>> mulberry with a leaf like this. It looked like a Morus alba, but the
>>>> sinus lobing is way deeper than any I've seen, the lobes are very
>>>> straight, and there's no small teeth at all. I've seen 2 trees in the
>>>> Ann Arbor area that looked like this, both obviously self-seeded, one
>>>> in a fencerow by a cemetary and one behind a dumpster. Both were young
>>>> and vigorous. I know mulberry leaves change significantly with
>>>> vigor/age, but I've never seen anything like this on any of the
>>>> mulberries I've seen.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:39:19 -0400
> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] strange mulberry leaf.
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Do any figs have very narrow twigs? All the ones I've seen have thick
> twigs. The buds on this thing look exactly like all the white mulberry
> in our area.
> 
> I'd also like to point out that this leaf has almost straight sides,
> and the petiole joins the leaf at an edge, not inside the leaf margin.
> 
> -matt
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Was looking for a leaf pic of the figs I have. ?I don't see them on
>> Figs4Fun but the following is pretty similar to the one I have except
>> the tips don't flare out so much.
>> 
>> http://figs4fun.com/fpix/FP945-79.jpg
>> 
>> ~mIEKAL
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> They are not like any figs I've seen. Same exact twig width as
>>> mulberry, same buds, same bark color on young stems at least. I've
>>> only seen two young plants. Figs have much thicker branches and don't
>>> have the slight zig-zag that mulberries seem to.
>>> 
>>> No fruit unfortnately.
>>> 
>>> -matt
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have a couple different fig varieties that have very similar leaves.
>>>> 
>>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I was wondering if any of you crazy fruit explorers have seen a
>>>>> mulberry with a leaf like this. It looked like a Morus alba, but the
>>>>> sinus lobing is way deeper than any I've seen, the lobes are very
>>>>> straight, and there's no small teeth at all. I've seen 2 trees in the
>>>>> Ann Arbor area that looked like this, both obviously self-seeded, one
>>>>> in a fencerow by a cemetary and one behind a dumpster. Both were young
>>>>> and vigorous. I know mulberry leaves change significantly with
>>>>> vigor/age, but I've never seen anything like this on any of the
>>>>> mulberries I've seen.
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> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:50:38 -0500
> From: "Dr. Lucky Pittman" <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] strange mulberry leaf.
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Yep.  Saw one just like it recently, growing in a backyard fence that
> borders the parking lot at the high school my daughter attends.  I didn't
> look at leaf/bud morphology, but figured it was M. alba.
> Considered marking it an collecting a scion to graft next spring, just
> because of the leaf morphology-looks amazingly like the Magnolia/Brunswick
> group of figs.
> 
> Lucky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Matt Demmon
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:10 AM
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> Subject: [NAFEX] strange mulberry leaf.
> 
> I was wondering if any of you crazy fruit explorers have seen a mulberry
> with a leaf like this. It looked like a Morus alba, but the sinus lobing is
> way deeper than any I've seen, the lobes are very straight, and there's no
> small teeth at all. I've seen 2 trees in the Ann Arbor area that looked like
> this, both obviously self-seeded, one in a fencerow by a cemetary and one
> behind a dumpster. Both were young and vigorous. I know mulberry leaves
> change significantly with vigor/age, but I've never seen anything like this
> on any of the mulberries I've seen.
> 
> Is it another variety or species?
> 
> -matt
> z5 seMI
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:52:50 -0500
> From: cutts <cutts@cuttsreviews.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Looking for Sam Bumgardt (sp?)
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Sam, are you out there? I'm visiting in the Mpls area and found a very 
> interesting crab apple with a highly fruity, almost orange-like taste, 
> in the Excelsior area. I'm leaving on Friday and was trying to see if 
> someone around here would like to check it out and possibly propogate 
> it.
> 
> I won't be checking email too much and don't have a cell but might be 
> reachable through my brother's home phone 952-474-0801 or his cell 
> 612-964-4575.  My brother's name is Jerry so you'll need to clarify that 
> you're looking for Jay, not Jerry. If you leave day and eve numbers, 
> I'll try to reach you.  We'll probably leave the Excelsior area on Thurs 
> am.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Jay
> 
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's Test Prep Publications (MCAT)
> 505-281-0684
> 800-353-4898
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Steven Covacci <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Hovenia dulcis (Japanese raisin tree) - anyone have a
>       good tasting specimen?
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> 
> Group:
> 
> I've tasted the fleshy rachis of an apparently self-fertile Japanese raisin 
> tree (Hovenia dulcis); it seems to be the only raisin tree around and 
> produces many seedlings.  The problem with this specimen (from which I have 
> my seedling) is that the rachis are highly astringent.  Anyone have a great 
> tasting specimen - one which looses its astringency?  Or maybe I just 
> needed to let it dry out - perhaps I should graft the mother tree to my 
> seedling if there's nothing wrong with the astringency issue after all, 
> since it is a self-fertile female.
> 
> Also, I planted a flowering dogwood (Cornus florida) just 10' away.  Do you 
> think that I can get the raisin tree to tower over the dogwood as an 
> over-story; if I did, that would require me to force the raisin tree to a 
> height of around 50', due to light-competition.  Most cultivated raisin 
> trees only get to around 35' high.  I think that the dogwood would be 
> over-come by the raisin tree.  Any experience with the growth tendencies of 
> raisin tree re: competition and height?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve; NJ
> 
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